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Anyone use these xx series sft comp cams? My current cam was spec'd by Dwayne(270/276@50) sft and has been a very good cam in my 12.5:1 511. I believe Dwayne said it was from the xx lobe family. Looking at another xx series 280/284@50 191@.200 with .415/.411 lobes on 108. Think its too large for my combo? I have compared specs to some other solid rollers and it looks like a good bang for buck deal, just thought i would ask here. Not totally convinced a roller will gain enough performance to make it worth the cost.

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Re: comp cam xx series SFT [Re: mopar dave] #2858347
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Anyone use these xx series sft comp cams? My current cam was spec'd by Dwayne(270/276@50) sft and has been a very good cam in my 12.5:1 511. I believe Dwayne said it was from the xx lobe family. Looking at another xx series 280/284@50 191@.200 with .415/.411 lobes on 108. Think its too large for my combo? I have compared specs to some other solid rollers and it looks like a good bang for buck deal, just thought i would ask here. Not totally convinced a roller will gain enough performance to make it worth the cost.


In MY opinion, there is NO magic cam that is going to ad much more power to your combo ,work on what you have & get the best out of it,, thats ALL I have to say about it. smile


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Re: comp cam xx series SFT [Re: mopar dave] #2858356
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I've had better luck using medium size solid rollers cams 250 to 275 @.050 on BB Mopar pump gas and race low RPM motors (shifting below 7800 RPM) than bigger or smaller cams. I like and select 107 to 109 LSA also and install them from103 to 108 ILC with .650+ net valve lift on both valves depending on the heads, C.I., comp ratio and intended use, street or race only work
I do use 1.6 o to 1.7 ratio rockers also on these cams also up BB Mopars need air and fuel to make More power grin

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Yes, i agree. Only way to know what works best is to try it or know someone with more knowledge about it that me. My thinking was, my car will poke into the 9's next outing without a cam change(Dwaynes sft is that good) and i'm kicked off the track at that point, so why not just install a slightly too big cam in it and run maybe the same or close to it. Plus it would sound super nasty for the shows and cruise ins. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Yes, i agree. Only way to know what works best is to try it or know someone with more knowledge about it that me. My thinking was, my car will poke into the 9's next outing without a cam change(Dwaynes sft is that good) and i'm kicked off the track at that point, so why not just install a slightly too big cam in it and run maybe the same or close to it. Plus it would sound super nasty for the shows and cruise ins. Just a thought.


Move to a 106 lsa cam and you will get the sound you want. No way i would run such a huge cam as you are talking about in a 98% street car


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Cab, If i were to go roller, which im still on the fence about, i would just throw Dom's cam in it 274/280-108. It works great in his 12:1 470, so should work really well in my 12.5:1 511, but i'm still not sold on the expense being worth the effort or performance. The flat tappets can make good power and i have the issue of not being able to squeeze much lift in it with the victor install height issue(dont know how much spring i can get in it), so flat tappet still looks good to me at this point. Dom's cam has a .709 lift with my 1.6 rocker, so not sure the spring for that would really fit and my p to v clearance would be very close with lash as i can fit .696 max lift now. That should give .060 clearance. Just fishing for ideas right now, i have 6 months to figure this out and very well may end up with a roller, but not giving up sft yet. Sorry for kicking a dead horse here, but this is where im at. Thanks guys

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Because of lobe wear? One other thing, The xx series produce a stable valve train at 8500 continues rpm. Not sure how they do this with a large cam.

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Re: comp cam xx series SFT [Re: mopar dave] #2858434
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Originally Posted by mopar dave
Cab, If i were to go roller, which im still on the fence about, i would just throw Dom's cam in it 274/280-108. It works great in his 12:1 470, so should work really well in my 12.5:1 511, but i'm still not sold on the expense being worth the effort or performance. The flat tappets can make good power and i have the issue of not being able to squeeze much lift in it with the victor install height issue(dont know how much spring i can get in it), so flat tappet still looks good to me at this point. Dom's cam has a .709 lift with my 1.6 rocker, so not sure the spring for that would really fit and my p to v clearance would be very close with lash as i can fit .696 max lift now. That should give .060 clearance. Just fishing for ideas right now, i have 6 months to figure this out and very well may end up with a roller, but not giving up sft yet. Sorry for kicking a dead horse here, but this is where im at. Thanks guys
its worth it down the road just in cost in oil

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Well yeah, thats kind of true, but i would still run good oil with zddp. I was told years ago the roller bearing lifter needs it.

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Back in the day, I switched from a 635/645 - 276/280@.050 mushroom solid(similar to Mini Express) to a Comp 720-274@.050 roller in a 451/400 12.0 CR with valve pockets & OK piston to valve clearance ported 906's, tunnel ram w/ 2-650 DP's. The roller was over a tenth & 1 1/2 MPH slower. Comp re-ground the roller to 660/280 which was equal to the mushroom in performance.
Get advice from the manufacturer (it helps to talk to real tech guy, not just the phone salesman).
Taken from another forum. I have seen before.
The 280/284@50 i listed was found in an old Indy Cylinder Head catalog. It lists it as( Great bracket race cam for heavy car. Use 5000 up convertor.) I have a 5500.

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I think I've proven long enuff that the RIGHT solid roller lobes and spring package can go for many years on the street w//no negative anything and you will see a 5-second pass here soon brother from my baby wore out 470. I would never even consider a ft cam today in any hot race type motor on the street although many have successfully run em w/out issues......

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Well, yes i know. Here's the deal, if i knew i could gain 3 or 4 tenths with a roller spending between $1500 and $2000, a roller is a no brainer. A solid flat tappet at best might get me another tenth or two with less than half the expense of the roller which might only be good for 2 tenths at best. Comparing expense to performance gain, not totally convinced its worth it just yet. The roller would last way longer, but this engine with be something different in 2 or 3 years from now. Thinking 4.3 crank.

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I'm an extremist and if I thought the way you do, I'd never be as fast as I am and as far as et gain looking back I changed heads AND went with the roller at the same time but I also went from 10.40's to 9.70's just like that once sorted out.....

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Yeah, i understand Dom. I'm not looking for 9.50's or the roller would be at the top of the list. What ever a badass sounding cam gives me at this point, i'm good with. Don't misunderstand me, a roller is deffinitely not out, just looking at flat tappets, because i think they can get where i want to go. Look what the 270@50 has gotten me so far. Not too shabby(10.06@132) in a heavy car.

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I've seen a bigger roller cam fit better (more V.to P clearances) into a motor that had a smaller solid flat tappet cam that barely fit work
My message is the lobes on a flat tappet cam compare to a solid roller lobe cam are no where near the same so you can't, shouldn't, compare the degrees at .0007 up tp .050 as being close to the same between the two types of cams, there NOT tsk
I think of it this way, the regular flat lifters base compared to the contact surface on the lobes of the roller wheel are no were close to the same, are they work scope


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Yes, you mentioned that before and i will make note of that. Good info, thanks. If i'm gonna roll the dice on a cam, my best bet would be to order up a Isky roller just like Dom's cam. I don't see any disadvantage there other than expense as long as i can fit the spring. Need to research that.

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Yes, in the flat tappets the Howards 274/280@50 looks good on paper as i run it thru dynomation5. Hughes 272/274@50 is a bit better.

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I ended up with a motor that had a Isky RR-602 roller cam in it that I reused in a different motor later. It had the slowest rate of valve opening(very slow down) I have ever seen shock
I've used and degreed a lot of different brands of solid roller cams with a lot of different lobes on them before and after that cam. the guy that ended up getting that motor with that cam in loved it but he had always had and used solid flat tappets cams for his motors
My message is there are a lot better lobes out there now than when Ed Isky was doing R&D a long time ago work
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