Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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your same coil will work you are now just switching it's primary off/on electronically instead of mechanically. I'd get the 1.25 ohm ballast & I would highly suggest that you get the MP chrome box instead of the orange ecu even if it means you buy the dist/harness/ecu seperately instead of the orange box complete pkg. EDIT if you do change coils yes a 73 up stock one will be fine as you would have exactly the same as a factory oe 73 up setup but unless you had one in your stash you might get a hotter one such as a msd blaster 2(which MAY change the ballast requirements) but your stock coil will work fine.
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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The Mopar kit comes with a new ballast, do you think its the 1.25 ohm? Just trying to set myself up with all the right parts while waiting for my kit to show up.
(1) yes (2) You have the orange box(kit) ordered?
Yes, it comes with the orange box. I am buying a set from a member here, its new in the box, never used.
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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The odds are very high that you wont have a single issue with the orange box.
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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While updating the ignition, consider the following: 1. Upgrade to the chrome box 2. Upgrade to the Mopar Blaster coil 3. Upgrade ballast resistor to 0.25 Ohms Next when setting the timing, note that the Mopar distributor has 20 degrees and you should set the inital advance @ 14-16 degrees. Making a total of 34-36 degrees. Just my $0.025.. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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While updating the ignition, consider the following:
1. Upgrade to the chrome box 2. Upgrade to the Mopar Blaster coil 3. Upgrade ballast resistor to 0.25 Ohms
Next when setting the timing, note that the Mopar distributor has 20 degrees and you should set the inital advance @ 14-16 degrees. Making a total of 34-36 degrees.
Just my $0.025..
Did you mean 1.25 ohms? The one that comes with the kit from Mopar Performance?
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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The electronic kit comes with a 1.25 Ohms but when you use a Mopar Blaster coil (Mopar #4876732), you use a 0.25 Ohms (Mopar #2444641). Because the Blaster has higher output voltage and can handle a higher input voltage, when using a 0.25 Ohm vs the 1.25 Ohms the coil sees a higher voltage. Just my $0.025.. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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The electronic kit comes with a 1.25 Ohms but when you use a Mopar Blaster coil (Mopar #4876732), you use a 0.25 Ohms (Mopar #2444641). Because the Blaster has higher output voltage and can handle a higher input voltage, when using a 0.25 Ohm vs the 1.25 Ohms the coil sees a higher voltage.
Just my $0.025..
Thanks for the help, just to clarify, if using the stock point type coil currently on my car, just use the 1.25 OHM resistor that comes with the kit, if I use the Mopar Blaster coil, use the .25 ohm resistor. The purpose of the Mopar blaster coil and .25 ohm resistor is for a hotter spark? Better performance? As mentioned, this car is all stock, 2-brl carb, 383, automatic. Not a race car by any means. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wave.gif)
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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04/11/09 11:44 PM
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I'd avoid the "el crapo" Chrysler Electronic Ignition,....IMHO your much better off with a Pertronix Ignitor II set-up and coil,....eliminate the ballast in the set-up,
in the Pertronix conversion you get to keep your original point distributor, just install the coversion kit, everything fits under the stock cap......
!!!REALLY!!! I guess the hundreds of thousands of Chryslers that ran for hundreds of thousands of miles using the el crapo Chrysler ignition were just, lucky?
I put on of these in my '70 soon after they came out in, when, 72? I owned that car up into the '80's. Later, I ran a 340 in my old FJ40 Landcruiser, and guess what? I ran an el crapo Chrysler ECU in that too!! Last time it ran, it ran with the el crapo ECU
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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04/12/09 12:26 AM
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I'd avoid the "el crapo" Chrysler Electronic Ignition,....IMHO your much better off with a Pertronix Ignitor II set-up and coil,....eliminate the ballast in the set-up,
in the Pertronix conversion you get to keep your original point distributor, just install the coversion kit, everything fits under the stock cap......
!!!REALLY!!! I guess the hundreds of thousands of Chryslers that ran for hundreds of thousands of miles using the el crapo Chrysler ignition were just, lucky?
I put on of these in my '70 soon after they came out in, when, 72? I owned that car up into the '80's. Later, I ran a 340 in my old FJ40 Landcruiser, and guess what? I ran an el crapo Chrysler ECU in that too!! Last time it ran, it ran with the el crapo ECU
Yeah but why add in all the extra wiring and clutter when the pertronix will keep it clean, simple and stock looking and do just as good of a job at it?
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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.......if there's any problems with a Pertronix installation, it's usually due to an installation error, ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eyes.gif) retaining the ballast resistor in the set up,....as the Hallcell requires 12 volts, using the wrong coil, the Pertronix requires a coil in the 100:1 TR and 80 milliamp range, or gapping the airspace with a steel gauge, or installing it on a worn distributor shaft, running soild core wires, or installing some foolish MSD set-up with it.......I've run Pertronix conversions on all my cars for YEARS, with not one single failure......where as the "El Crapo" Chrysler set-ups were always frought with problems,........I'm not new to Mopars, I've owned and driven them for over 30 years.....IMHO, the Pertronix set-ups are a blessing over the factory stuff!............perhaps you should throw a nice "lean burn" ignition set-up on that pick-up, now there's a real peice of crap, from the factory! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh2.gif) .....
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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I would not use a .25 ohm ballast resistor, if your going to use a Mopar/MSD blaster coil use the msd .85 ohm ballast its a super heavy duty one, if you get the coil it might come with one, the MSD blaster i got 15 years ago had on in the package and its still on the car. And also use some washers behind it to raise it off the firewall so it will have some air movement behind it.
Here is a lift from the Mopar Performance factory information....
Mopar Performance 4876732 Ignition Coil Blaster Product Code:DCC-4876732 Manufacturer:Mopar Performance
DCC-4876732 Ignition Coil, Blaster, Canister, Round, Oil Filled, Black, Each
Description: More energy, better spark.
Ignition Coil, Blaster, Canister, Round, Oil Filled, Black, Each
Features: Ballast Resistor Included No Coil Color Black Coil Internal Construction Oil-filled Coil Shape Round Coil Style Canister Coil Wire Attachment Female/Socket Coil Wire Included No Diameter (in) 2.483 in. Height (in) 6.147 in. Mounting Bracket Included No Notes Specific Mopar Performance ignition systems may require the use of a 1/4 ohm ballast resistor when used with this coil. Consult your Mopar Performance catalog or your sales representative for further information. Primary Resistance 0.700 ohms Quantity Sold individually. Turns Ratio 100:1
Don't really want to debate the point of Pertronix vs. MSD vs. Mopar...
But ... IMHO A good starting point is the Mopar information, then after reviewing this go whatever way you may want to...
Just my $0.025... ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
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Re: Stock coil or should it be changed? Points to Electroni
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04/13/09 08:43 PM
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![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/iagree.gif) with daytona ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/iagree.gif) with dayclona I have been running a pertronix conversion with the pertronix flame thrower coil in the points dist in my 85 truck,68 dart,67 polara for over 9 yrs..same one just swap the dist/coil around never had a problem..expt when I used a diff rotor button..it gave probs till I replaced it with a pertronix one I have swaped it right into a couple diff dist over the yrs and just use the .030 plastic gauge they come with to gap it all the elchepo stock ecu crap is still hooked up in the wire harness and it has 2 wires from dist to the coil and the one keyed wire from the harness...just unhook the elect dist plug the points vac dist will give a little better curve on the timeing when using the "stock" dist in a stock points car over a stock smog dist when it was in my 68 dart I used a #10 stranded wire solderd in the shell of the ballest resiter, to by pass it to give the pertroinix a full 12 volts to work with the 40,000 volt flame thrower coil just like the ad said..throw the points/condencer in the glove box ...but you will never need it thats my 0.05$ runwhatyabrung ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drive.gif)
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