Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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My 98 Dakota 4wd 5.2 5-speed rips. My son is a tech at the local Dodge dealership. We resynchronized the timing. I fixed the plenum leak and install back of cat Flowmaster exhaust. It only has one cat. Has great power and will climb most any hill in 5th gear. Also get around 20 mpg at 80 mph and around 25 mpg at 65 mph. Though the Dakota is about 800-1000 lbs less than a Ram.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/15/20 11:28 AM
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I had a '98 QC 5 speed 4x4 with the 318 and it would give my '01 360 QC 4x4 auto a run for it's money. It ripped just like moparmarks '98 mentioned above. Just started running my '01 Reg Cab 5 speed 4x4 318 and it is definitely slower than the '98 and has almost no torque under 3000 like you are mentioning. I hooked my Torque app to it and the timing is showing anywhere from 23 to 31 degrees out on the highway at steady cruise. Well, that definitely can't be right. On the plus side, I guess it comes Turbocharger-ready from the factory. I'm thinking about finding a '98 computer to get around this death flash nonsense. My info on those "tuners" is that all they do is have a circuit in them interupting the coolant temperature that fools the factory computer into thinking the engine is cold and they run in closed-loop rich to make it feel like you have more power. You have "Turd" and 46re transmission close together, and you would be 100% correct on that: I found out just how much of a power-sucking turd the 727-based platform is when I got my first 318 a833od. It was like a night and day difference to any 318 automatic I previously owned.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
[Re: ditchdrift]
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11/15/20 02:24 PM
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Yes, the convertors are a plug in the system. I take all of mine out and usually pick up 1 to 2mpg. They struggle a lot less when in top gear and maintain cruise much easier.
Electric fan while you are at it, the trucks make less noise, and pick up a slight amount in the mpg department.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/17/20 12:05 AM
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Ive had several, none seemed underpowered, Drive my 3.9 and then tell me your 318 is underpowered. I'll have to get a video of it's acceleration. It's hideous.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/17/20 09:42 PM
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I recall some conversation years ago about modifying the crankshaft sensor (edit: for advancing the timing)............and just found it: Dakota Forum.......and an explanation of the origins of Death Flash: UTawesome Performance
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/24/20 01:28 PM
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I am considering removing the cat since I no longer have to go thru inspection due to its age. Is there any performance advantage to doing it? Ah, the childish advantage of blocking another Member's posts. No, leave it in, dummy.
Mo' Farts
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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I am considering removing the cat since I no longer have to go thru inspection due to its age. Is there any performance advantage to doing it? I don't think you'll gain anything. But, as old as it is, I doubt it's working at all anymore. We went through MANY in our 350,000 mile 318 Ramcharger. Always failing smog for NOx, every year or two, always the converter. Near the end we discovered those muffler shop cheapies were universal fit and crap. Finally got one from Walker, specific fit for the truck, lasted until we sold it in 2016.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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You're welcome, glad that mod that I posted worked.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/25/20 06:37 PM
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Nice house. Nice yard. Nice driveway. Nice '96. But that '01 is a PEACH! Even has the smooth, no-slider back window if my eyes are right.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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11/25/20 11:22 PM
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Thanks Grizzly ! Yes the 01 does have a no slider back window. It was a special order truck and has the towing package and a LSD rear end . It has the original owners name on the window sticker. It was garage kept and only used to pull the man's fishing boat. I really love the truck , just wish it had a little more power. The 96 has rust issues but runs great and I still drive it the most. It was a lease and I bought it at the end of the lease. I really like this body style and wanted another one to replace the 96. The frame is rusting on the 96 and I can no longer mount a rear bumper or the tow hitch due to rust in that area, so I put a rear " pan" on it. Mark
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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The main thing lacking in all these posts and replies is what is underpowered, what rips, what is slow. There needs to be a number. If you are coming from an 80's LA318 and 5.2 Magnum will be faster. Compared to a 5.7 Hemi, yes it will feel slow.
I can only contribute my numbers and you compare and make a decision. 1995 Ram Sport 5.2L, 5 spd, reg cab, short box 3.5 rear Low 16 second truck. The ET was a product of a launch with the manual trans. I actually ran a 15.9 holding the rpm at 4000 before engaging the clutch but the important number here is 84 mph. Is your faster or slower than that?
Some catalytic converter replies. Yes a they hold these back. I was door to door with a friends 1st gen Neon. When my converter was blown out. I was walking him. After replacing it under warranty I was back to door to door.
I do feel the automatics behind the 5.2's really dragged these trucks power down.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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12/18/20 12:23 PM
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The main thing lacking in all these posts and replies is what is underpowered, what rips, what is slow. There needs to be a number. If you are coming from an 80's LA318 and 5.2 Magnum will be faster. Compared to a 5.7 Hemi, yes it will feel slow.
I can only contribute my numbers and you compare and make a decision. 1995 Ram Sport 5.2L, 5 spd, reg cab, short box 3.5 rear Low 16 second truck. The ET was a product of a launch with the manual trans. I actually ran a 15.9 holding the rpm at 4000 before engaging the clutch but the important number here is 84 mph. Is your faster or slower than that?
Some catalytic converter replies. Yes a they hold these back. I was door to door with a friends 1st gen Neon. When my converter was blown out. I was walking him. After replacing it under warranty I was back to door to door.
I do feel the automatics behind the 5.2's really dragged these trucks power down. Depends on what it's in too. I yanked a 5.2 out of a 99 dakota, dropped it into my stripped 80's jeep wrangler and used a 94 wiring harness/ecu. With a stick shift in a 3000lb rig instead of a 5000lb pig, that 5.2 rips!
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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I had a 94 1500 4x4 Regular Cab Long bed with 5.2 automatic and 3:55 gears. It wouldn't spin a tire, whether power braking or not and was not quick at all. I tried to wake it up, with a Gibson exhaust, MSD 6AL ignition box, K & N air cleaner, the Mopar Performance roller rockers, and a Hypertech module. While I could notice small differences with the mods, they really didn't amount to a hill of beans. It got 15 mpg no matter wha,t unless on I95 in the flat area of North Carolina it would eek out 17. It was OBD 1, so no death flash, but the plenum pan did blow out around 90000 miles and it pinged badly. I fixed that, but the combustion chambers stayed dirty and it pinged afterward, which was worse with the Hypertech module. I remember being at a cars show and autocross on an airfield after having done the mods and we were allowed to play on the airfield and I couldn't get a tire to spin, quite embarrassing. It, however, was very reliable. I could tow what I needed (slowly) without running hot and the four wheel drive worked great. Only time I had to get towed was when the cat converter had broken itself up and clogged at around 260000 miles. It wouldn't make 45 on the interstate. Later in its life, I got a boat and wanted more towing grunt, so I swapped in a 5.9L Magnum with larger valves, ported heads, and a Hughes Cam. I put a Powertrax locker on it, and it would burn tires all you wanted. The power band was from 3000-5300rpm. I really think it needed the Hughes FI airgap to really pull up top. But then I ended up with a 2004 Quad Cab 5.7 Hemi. The 5.2 was good for a simple truck motor, the 5.9 better, but I love my Hemis.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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01/02/21 08:59 PM
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Don't feel bad about your '94: I had a brand new 2006 Blunder Motors reg cab long box 4x4 with the MIGHTY 5.3 (285 hp, yeah, sure ) and that Turd wouldn't break traction on dry pavement either. Best day of my life when I traded that Gutless Wonder for my '07 Hemi.
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Re: Are the 5.2 magnums all underpowered?
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01/07/21 10:14 PM
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Thanks, Frankenduster! Geez, how did they dent the roof on your '06? Glad your '07 is worked out well for you. If it ever dies, you can buy mine to replace it.
Mo' Farts
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