Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: B3422W5]
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07/19/06 04:44 PM
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i like the x mainly because its production looking up top,and racy down low...plus roller lifters pop right in it... plus i am old and like old stuff lol
The R1A does not have the filled in valley like an R3. Here's a pic of one. They do have the meaty lifter bosses though and the 18 bolt head provision. It would be real nice if the 59* version could get an 18 bolt delete, so you did'nt have to deal with the bosses for rollers. So if you wanted an 18 bolt block it would be 48* only.
That is what I'd make, 2 different versions:
59* 340 main, 4 bolt, with 360 oil pan provision (so you can either bolt on a stock 360 style pan, OR if you already have a 340 style pan, you can use a pan rail spacer which are now available for sale) 9.610" rough deck height, so you don't have to deal with 9.560" deck BS with off shelf crank/rod/piston combos that are all designed for 9.600" deck height. 3.91" rough bore. This block would be for 10 bolt heads only, no extra bosses. I would plunge cut the lifter bosses to Std. LA height, so any V link bar roller lifter should drop right in with little or no clearaning. Standard 59* cam tunnel of course.
48* 340 main, 4 bolt, 360 oil pan #5 cap, 9.610" rough deck, 3.91" rough bore. This block would have all 18 bolt head bosses drilled/tapped from Chrysler. Any 48* Mopar or Chevy spacing .903 roller lifter would fit with no mods. The 48's should already have an .125" oil feed hole in the lifter bore like the new AC Part # R3 blocks, so you don't have to buy/use the cheesy MP 48* lifter bore drill tool. Standard 48 degree babbit cam tunnel, and should come with a new set of 48* babbit bearings in the crate with the engine like the R3's do, so you can avoid panic like Kammer & Kammer had when they did Rick's 48* R1A and the 59* cam bearings did'nt fit LOL
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: 340RICK]
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07/19/06 04:54 PM
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the question on the 48* blocks???
The answer is easy, they fit like a champ after Ryan elongated the pushrod slot because I have a 48* R block with my W5's on it. This is great cause you never no when you might want to throw some W9's on.
Because you always want to go faster
Here in lies the core problem. P5007065ab cnc chamber W9's can be had for under $1,000 for the pair, need about the same finish work, and yes, they need some $$ headers, but cheaper than TTI's? That being said, I could see a pair for a low buck valve train, low conversion labor deal. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Twocents.gif)
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: ram87]
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07/19/06 09:43 PM
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I have the W-5 heads off of Ross Hartleys' old super gas arrow. one of them is broken completely in two. this car ran 8.60's with a factory 340 block. I need one good head to try and match up all the extensive port work. Indy says they may be able to weld it back together for $1000 bucks but with no guarentee. I would really like to have a new set of W-5's ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/coool.gif)
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: Racebuddy]
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07/19/06 10:13 PM
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with the new casting technology.. the "Foam filled casting core" type the quality of the casting has gone way up. no core shift.. seems to me this method would fix most of the core shift and poor casting issues... i dont know how that figures into the old tooling core boxes /parts that are apearently still around..and being refer'd to in this thread but since youd need the licensing from Mopar to make any of these parts.....they need to do something..
on the w5 heads if they just offerd a head with out pushrod holes machined you could do it either way 48*/52*...no? cheapst.
365" Iron J heads,,3480lbs best 1.39 60ft on SS springs.10.54,124 mph ...6.67 1/8th et.average 60fts 1.46 w/ small cam &.063 no2 pill tagged & insured [image][/image]
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: patrick]
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07/20/06 05:34 PM
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I have been looking for an R1 block for awhile now to put together a spare motor. I have a complete rotating assembly waiting to drop in one. If I could buy a new one for 1200 I would be set.
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: patrick]
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07/20/06 08:49 PM
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Those blocks would sell like crazy.
Ryan- if the R1A block tooling is based on production tooling, does it have provisions for the '85-up 318 and '89-up 360 roller lifter parts (dogbones and spider)? that would be the cats meow, and make it real cheap and easy to run a hydraulic roller in a good block...
Or better yet, the motor mount bosses for the late model Magnum motors like the R3's have?? Count me in on W5's and an R1A block (if it has the Magnum mount bosses, hehe)! My 318 is almost done, so time to start piecing together the stroker turbo motor for Dakota. ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif)
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: Duster499]
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07/23/06 06:17 PM
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My old Arrington heads used W2-W5 exhaust patterns. In fact the subplates from my W2's were a perfect match. Seems to me these heads were perfect for strokers as I ran them at 48 degrees with nitrous. I would have liked 18 head bolts but this gets into rule issues in some classes. 48 degree stuff gets into rule issues in some classes also. Seems to me that W5 heads with the intake runners raised on up, the rocker pad raised longer valves. And come up with a new intake that would fit the "NEW W5" as well as W7-9 combos. I know I am asking a lot as the likelehood of a return of the W5 is probably slim. But, why not make it better. It's sad when bowtie boys can get complete race heads for less than $1K. And we are expected to invest $2K for something that is not as good. Mopar gave us a better starting point raised cam wide pan rails tall decks everthing wanted by brand X guys to make strokers we already have made in the blocks. If the repo blocks had been made like advertised they would have been perfect for these kind of builds. One problem I run into is when at SEMA or PRI I get rediculous answers to why MP done something that basically screwed the sportsman racer. I am reaching into a more hardcore market but take the alluminum block for instance it is a nightmare and cost the customer double to complete than the other brands. And when you ask that question the reply is well if we had it to do over again we would have done this. Not only did they redesign it but they raised the price and still did not give us what we wanted. I have a set of W8 heads that are at CFE and it is going to cost a fortune to repair. If they were chevies I could purchase them done for half the money. Everytime I think I have found a new casting for sale advertised drag race heads they turn out to be circle track stuff. I think any W5 offering would be a great opportunity but in my experience with MP it will never happen.
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Re: Anyone Interested In W5 Mopar Heads Please Read
[Re: Duster499]
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07/25/06 06:09 AM
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I heard from a Chrysler source that they list some parts in their catalog that don't even exist. They are just trying to determine if there is a market for them. What better way to P.O. your customers?!
i was beginning to think he 340 blocks didn't exist since i have been waiting 8 months!! attn David Haikim we need w5 heads and 340 blocks!!! ![](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smilie_help.gif)
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