Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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the "key dance" worked for my 95 mini van [and earlier ones], so it should work for your pickup. i have been told many times the "key dance" works for the 96-2000 OBD2 mini vans, but i have never been able to get it to work. the codes you have listed look like the ones i have used before. try it and let us know.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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10/31/20 09:17 AM
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Will do, Moparx. So far the truck is running perfectly again, and other than the new annoying rattle at idle, I have no complaints in the performance or fuel mileage now.
I think Nitrous nailed it with his advice. Sync signal. Codes will be pulled Sunday or Monday. Halloween is a huge thing in my house, so spent all Thursday, Yesterday and today decorating, so no time to do anything other than driving. Power is better than pre trans rebuild, no shuddering, no failure to crank.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I apologize for the long delay. I did not have anything to report until today.
The distributor, coil, crankshaft position sensor, spark plugs and wires have all been replaced. Everything is Delphi, Napa, or NGK, so good quality replacement components. The truck still has the intermittent miss at highway speeds, and sometimes when rolling forward from a stop. Overdrive engagement is intermittent, but the fluid remains bright and clean. No burning smell whatsoever.
Today the truck threw the first Code. Code 37. It appears that we have a torque converter issue.
Transman, do I need to have the transmission pulled and the torque converter replaced? This is a Precision of New Hampton converter, so am hoping that there is a warranty of some kind that will help with this.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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The miss from launch will appear within the first two seconds, and happens most often when the temp is under 40 degrees. I don't know if that information helps at all, sir.
As for the stall test, my local mechanic put the truck into gear, applied the brakes and did his best to make the truck stall. Nothing. No missing, nothing but clean firing. I'm not certain if this qualifies, but this is the only test of this type that has been performed on this truck. He was testing to see if my fuel pump was possibly causing this, or a fouled injector. He's 73 and has been at this his whole life, so I don't question his methods. He's the one who was finally able to get the truck to throw a code. He went out driving it for an hour to get it to duplicate the miss that I've been seeing.
Unfortunately this mechanic is the only one in my town that I haven't had bad experiences with on this build. I can try calling in the towns near here to see if someone can do a recording, but I'm not confident about finding anyone around here, and will have to treat this option as a last ditch one.
It's really odd with my OD engagement. I can be driving along on a 75 degree day, and the OD won't engage. I can drive for 45 mins and have it engage once, and then the minute I slow down it drops out of OD, and won't reengage again. I kept chalking it up to the break in period, and maybe the thermistor not reading a high enough temp. But I'm starting to believe that my TC is not locking up. Could this be a faulty Solenoid? The valve body was professionally rebuilt by Central Valve Bodies. I took the valve body apart and cleaned it and let it dry really well, after the water intrusion, making sure to put all of the check balls back in their correct locations.
Also, fuel mileage has dropped significantly. I'm burning half again as much fuel, recently. I have been told that this can be caused by either my torque converter, or by something in my fuel system. My mechanic insisted that I replace my pcv valve and my plugs and wires myself before he would go any further. He has been consistently trying to save me money through this nightmare.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Yes, no OD and you will burn more fuel.
As for no overdrive, what you might consider is to control that yourself.
You would have to make a small jumper harness that would attach to the three pin connector at the trans. Power to the center pin with key on, then the front pin is overdrive and the rear is lockup ground wires you would control from the cab.
Once in third gear you can ground either or both to control OD and/or lockup. If you consistently get them then your problem lies outside the trans.
I would try that first, sounds like you would have no problem making this harness.
A stuck brake switch will also prevent lockup.
Another quick test before you make that harness, take it for a ride and see if cruise control works all the time. If not, very good chance brake switch or PRNDL. One more item TPS. While they act up more on the diesel trucks they do act up on gas. You would have to monitor with an analog voltmeter, not digital. The needle should never jump around, it should move very smoothly. Idle around .65 and at WOT should be be around 3.5-4.0 if I recall correctly.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Here is a pic of the solenoid layout.
My memory is fading, better check the center pin of your existing harness to see if it is 5 or 12 volts. My recollection is 5.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I will definitely check the voltage over the weekend. I can't make a harness that fits those pin connectors, so I'm going to source an old plug for this connector and make one from that.
Sir, if that pin is 5 volts, how do I supply that? I can get 12 volts from the battery, but have no idea how to source 5 volts from the truck.
Driving the truck back from the mechanic, it's missing alot more. Constantly now. I've turned the OD off manually using the button on the dash, and also kept OD on. It seems to miss alittle less when the OD is off, but it still pretty consistently runs poorly. I can smell a strong rich running smell.
Idle is good, alittle higher than before, but that's the only difference. Absolutely no poor running in park or stopped at a light. I don't know if this points to anything. There is still a rattling, almost whining noise when stopped or in park, though. This is new to the truck post trans rebuild.
Also, my speed sensor has not worked in two years, if this is possibly contributing. And there is a two pin connector that is not connected, that looks like it should go to the transmission. My mechanic thinks it's for a transmission temperature sensor. I am telling you all of this, in case this helps with the diagnosis.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Fix the miss before you do anything transmission wise. A cylinder misfire will always seem more severe when in lock up or overdrive. Except the fact that you state no overdrive - a miss won’t cause that. As for no speedo, I think that’s the RWAL sensor on the axle. The sensor on the transmission is for input to the SBEC which talks to the engine and trans.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I am working hard to fix the miss, and am open to any suggestions. I am very serious.
These are the components that I've had replaced chasing down this miss, so far: Distributor, coil, spark plugs, wires, crankshaft position sensor. Please advise me on what you would tackle next, if this was your truck. The only code thrown has been code 37 so far.
This truck did not have a miss before the trans swap, and I am completely willing to call it a coincidence. Please advise me, I am willing to take advice and turn it into action.
Transman and Nitrous, thank you both so much for your help, I actively take your advice and apply. I fear that I am going to have to continue to ask for it until I am back up and running well.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Nitrous, I will pull the lower trans shield and visually inspect and rotate the engine. I will also run it at night to look for any kind of secondary ignition.
The distributor cap and rotor has been pulled twice now, to make adjustments and for inspection. I replaced the spark plugs a couple of days ago, visually checked each one, put permatex never seize on the threads and carefully snugged them in. I installed new good quality wires at the same time, carefully, making sure that they are away from the headers.
I will check the brake light switch, as well.
The miss is aggravating. It's been there ever since the transmission was swapped. It got better after the distributor, and then crankshaft position sensor was repaired. Then was back two days later. At idle, the truck runs beautifully. Then when accelerating it feels like it loses power, it makes this phut phut noise, and then once I'm done accelerating or not running around 2000 rpms, it's smooth as silk again. The minute I start accelerating or am up around the 2k mark (what I call highway speed, because in 3rd gear I'm around 2200) I get that loss of power miss. It's not a jerk or shudder, it feels like all of a sudden I'm not getting fuel to a cylinder because there is a sensible loss of power.
To further cloud the issue, my stepfather put Marvel Mystery Oil in the tank right after the transmission swap because that shop recommended it. He also added it a few days ago, thinking it was helping. I swear the miss has gotten worse since it was put in my tank. No one around my area thinks it's a contributing factor, but I'm not so certain.
Should I replace the IAC or start hunting down a set of injectors? I've personally put 100k on these injectors, and have never done anything with the egr, iac, map sensor or throttle body. I'm doing my own research on the side, but I will do what you and Transman recommend.
Also, my downstream 02 sensor is right next to the transmission, and it's possible it got hit when they swapped the trans out. I mean, they hit everything else, so why not. Could a damaged 02 sensor do any of this?
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