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Re: To stroke or not to stroke? [Re: MarkZ] #2829163
10/06/20 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkZ
Originally Posted by feets
Originally Posted by Satilite73

I understand the desire and appeal to keep the 440, but the Imperial is a big ol' CRUISER not a drag car. Drop a modern Hemi in it and be done.

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That was an early consideration. However, the Gen III suffers from the same issue as the earlier variants. There's nobody home down low. You have to get the revs up to find any torque. It would be a fun motor but similar to driving around a pickup.




As for my OD swap, I do have the lockup trans and converter.


Turbos have been calling me, especially since I still have them but that would be an even bigger distraction than what I've already got in front of me with the Imp and the roadster to follow.


Sounds like you're between a rock and a hard spot. You've got a land yacht you want to accelerate like a mid-size sedan and still knock back decent MPG.


Either big block stroke it and get the down low torque, but with crap mileage, or G3 Hemi it and get the mileage, but no torque.

Have you thought about a G3 swap with a trans that has more forward gears than a 518 (my knowledge of what is available is nil)? Could make up for the lack of torque if you can slide an eight speed in. Bonus, stick as close to OEM as possible and get OEM reliability since you plan on using it as a daily driver.


A Gearvendors on the back of the 727 would give you a 6 speed with an OD that would be a good fit with a 3.55 or 3.73 gear.

Final drive in OD would be 2.76 and 2.90 respectively.

505 cubes with 600+ ft/lbs and that combination would hurl that Imperial across an intersection with authority and still be capable of Warp Speed across West Texas.

Kevin

Re: To stroke or not to stroke? [Re: Twostick] #2829198
10/06/20 09:11 AM
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Interesting suggestion.

Gear vendors has an OD ratio of .78 while the 518 that the OP already has is .69 and has lock-up converter. Hard to see the GV's advantage there. As to the split shifts, most don't feel that 'feature' is really practical in daily driving.


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Re: To stroke or not to stroke? [Re: DaveRS23] #2829281
10/06/20 12:59 PM
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I’d call Dwayne Porter and pick his brain if I wanted a stroker. Fuel injection would work great on this application, big cubes, od transmission, high gears and low cruise rpm’s.

I’d stroke it!

Re: To stroke or not to stroke? [Re: Twostick] #2829365
10/06/20 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Twostick
A Gearvendors on the back of the 727 would give you a 6 speed with an OD that would be a good fit with a 3.55 or 3.73 gear.

Final drive in OD would be 2.76 and 2.90 respectively.



The gear splitting that GV touts always came across as a gimmick to me. Not enough spread in the ratios to make that really worth anything.

8HP70: 4.7143 3.1429 2.1064 1.6667 1.2847 1.0000 0.8392 0.6667
727: 2.54 1.45 1.0

GV can only split between those ratios on the 727. I haven't read of any way to control an 8HP70 through aftermarket though.


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Re: To stroke or not to stroke? [Re: feets] #2829382
10/06/20 04:55 PM
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If it was my car I'd go with a modest compression 505. Probably keep it down in the 9.50 range for compression with a small hyd roller cam and then put a Holley Sniper on it. We just finished an engine like that up the other day and it was smooth as silk. Had about 20 inches of vacuum and made close to 600 torque. It made around 500 on hp but it was all over by 5000 rpm due to the small cam. Keep the cam small and it will drive nice and smooth with decent mileage. The Holley Sniper with a Hyperspark ignition system gives you complete computer control over the AFR and the timing curve so you can dial in the tune at cruise. Costs some money to build an engine like that but it would be a fun car. Might even surprise a few BMWs with it.

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