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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2810660
08/19/20 12:22 PM
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If AndyF doesn't start fabricating some products, I wonder if there's any possibility of FirmFeel picking up some of the design and manufacturing of the gap in the market?


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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2810778
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
Getting a patent is costly.
Enforcing a patent is almost cost prohibitive.
For a small business they are mainly for ego and a deterrence to the less informed.
So in my eyes, no real can of worms, and Andy for example with his legal background, likely already knows the loopholes.


You sound like your business ethics are of the highest order!

Sarcasm off.


You appear to be prone to confirmation bias, no sarcasm needed.


I'm with Helmuth Hübener, and no soup is being served today.
Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2810823
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Are his products patented. That could be opening a can of worms.


I'm pretty sure that motor mounts meet the "simple and obvious" exception to a patent. It is just a bent piece of steel with a rubber or poly isolator. People have been making them for at least 100 years. I'd be very surprised if the patent office granted Schumacher patents on any of his designs. I'm sure his business name is copyrighted but I wouldn't want to try and steal his name or counterfeit his packaging like the Chinese do.

If I decided to make swap brackets I'd sell them as AR Engr products. I'd start with a clean sheet of paper and design the bracket from the ground up without copying anything that Schumacher designed. If he sued me I'd stop making the brackets. The Mopar market isn't big enough to justify a lawsuit. Patent attorneys aren't going to get excited over winning a few thousand dollars in damages.

Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: AndyF] #2810882
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I would like to see his tri-Y headers make a comeback. Nice application for some vehicles.

Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: AndyF] #2811046
08/20/20 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Are his products patented. That could be opening a can of worms.


I'm pretty sure that motor mounts meet the "simple and obvious" exception to a patent.


There is a term in U.S. patent application called "prior art". If it's obvious or just a variation of something already in existence, it can't be patented.


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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: John_Kunkel] #2811462
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Are his products patented. That could be opening a can of worms.


I'm pretty sure that motor mounts meet the "simple and obvious" exception to a patent.


There is a term in U.S. patent application called "prior art". If it's obvious or just a variation of something already in existence, it can't be patented.


"Loopholes", for the ethically sensitive.


I'm with Helmuth Hübener, and no soup is being served today.
Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: jcc] #2858509
12/11/20 12:29 PM
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Good news, USCT Motorsports has been licensed to produce Schumacher's products.

http://store.uscartool.com/


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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: John_Kunkel] #2858594
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theres a guy on facebook making conversion mounts.. not all the styles yet be he says he is busy as hell..


It's better to keep your mouth shut and give the impression that you're stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.

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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: John_Kunkel] #2858596
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Good news, USCT Motorsports has been licensed to produce Schumacher's products.

http://store.uscartool.com/


after what those clowns did to a friends car i'd have to be desperate to buy anything from them..


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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2858617
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Originally Posted by jcc
Getting a patent is costly.
Enforcing a patent is almost cost prohibitive.
For a small business they are mainly for ego and a deterrence to the less informed.
So in my eyes, no real can of worms, and Andy for example with his legal background, likely already knows the loopholes.


You sound like your business ethics are of the highest order!

Sarcasm off.


Its an aftermarket motor mount for a Chrysler product, the judge would laugh.

Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: SRT6776] #2858619
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Are they going to be making the Torque Straps?


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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: 70sixpkrt] #2867549
01/01/21 01:13 PM
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US car tool is making them now ... www.usctmotorsports.com

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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: bigdad] #2867585
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Originally Posted by bigdad
US car tool is making them now ... www.usctmotorsports.com


Where? I can't find anything

Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: Sniper] #2867604
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You would have to call them they have not updated the website yet..but, its true

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Re: Schumacher Creative - Engine-swaps.com - what happened? [Re: bigdad] #2867654
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Thanks, I think I got the last new original Schumacher mount for my 65 on the planet, found it in Canada.

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