Advice needed
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07/03/20 12:17 PM
07/03/20 12:17 PM
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Kilroy was here
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70 Charger, small block. As you can see, BOTH tires are wearing on the inside. It does track straight. . So, I am thinking of a full front end kit. PST, or buy from Rock, and eBay. Stock is fine with me. From watching YouTube, I see the Lower Control Arms are a bit of a challenge. But that's ok.
Any input is appreciated. (some parts have been replaces over the years)
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: Kilroy was here]
#2792347
07/03/20 01:08 PM
07/03/20 01:08 PM
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wow ! how can that thing handle ? it looks like it has a ton of toe out and/or a bunch of negative camber. have you had an alignment any time ? does it clunk or bang going over bumps ? are both tires as bad as the one shown ? you definitely need the suspension looked at very closely, and as soon as possible.
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Re: Advice needed
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#2792353
07/03/20 01:24 PM
07/03/20 01:24 PM
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I'd do a quick check on the toe in before I jumped to doing anything.
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: Kilroy was here]
#2793851
07/07/20 09:55 AM
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Providing it needs ball joints and control arm bushings you can just take the arms in to the shop after removal. That is what I did with mine when I rebuilt the front end. Did the rest in the garage with basic hand tools.
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: AndyF]
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07/08/20 10:54 AM
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Wow, that is really bad. Maybe the worst I've ever seen. I don't know how big your tool box is but some of the front suspension parts will kick your rear unless you have the correct tools. If you have all the correct tools then you can do a front end rebuild in half a day but hardly anybody has all the correct tools. You are correct, replacing the lower control arm bushing can be a real pain. I wouldn't replace any parts though until I figured out what was wrong. It could just be a really horrible alignment job. If you have a local alignment shop that you trust you might take it over to them and ask them for an opinion. A good shop will know right away what the problem is. They see this stuff all day long. If you aren't hearing clunking or feeling erratic performance, Id agree with the highlighted above. If you have a pile of receipts and suspension parts are in that pile, you may have good parts. Verify it before you simply start replacing everything.
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Re: Advice needed
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#2803054
07/30/20 06:58 PM
07/30/20 06:58 PM
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Kilroy was here
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[quote]A good shop will know right away what the problem is.[/quote]
I did, this guy was really good and recommended.
Lower steering parts, Lower ball points, newer, and look good.
Needed... Upper Ball points (Dr. Diff has good ones, pre loaded +cam bolt kit )
LCA needs total rebuild (Kit from PST)
Torsion bar bushings. (PST)..or
Torsion bars are original, new ones are reasonable priced. Mine are original 50 years old.(1.03" Torsion Bar Master Kit PST)
AND...he pointed out the rear original leaf springs have a negative arch. As in they're wore out. -------------------------------------------------- QUESTIONS.... Rear leaf springs. Re-Arch (IF I can find a shop ), or purchase new. But I read the MP springs tend to flatten after a year. (The old school guy said "You can put a 2" spacer") Recommendations?
My car is a driver, and eventually (If I don't sell it) I'm going to put a 318 and A/C back in it. (At 62, car is "To hot for old man to handle")
Getting moving on this, any suggestions?
Did I miss anything....?
Last edited by Kilroy was here; 07/30/20 07:00 PM.
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: Kilroy was here]
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08/01/20 12:00 PM
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Just my opinion, but if a shop guy recommends "You can put a 2" spacer" in the leafs (which I read as extended length shackles because a spacer in the axle mount actually lowers the car) the rest of his diagnosis is suspect. In stock form, mopar leafs when installed and at rest, will look like they are flat to the vast majority of people, even old school tech guys who are not intimate with mopars subtle differences.
LCA rebuild consists of only torsion bar bushings. Nothing else to do to them.
Sounds like you are considering replacing the entire upper control arm instead of just ball joints. Not necessary, but if that's the way you want to go, cool.
Frankly, I'd get a second opinion from another shop, but the increasing difficulty in finding shops that know old stuff may make that an exercise in futility. I'd recommend you talk to guys at any nearby race tracks about who they use for alignments , suspension work, or even fabrication. I might trust a modern race shop more than an old shop guy, unless he had extensive mopar background.
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: Kilroy was here]
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08/04/20 07:03 AM
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I did too, somebody wasted a lot of money on manufacturing a part(s, L&R) that seldom becomes unusable, and is widely available used, nationwide, IMO
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Re: Advice needed
[Re: Kilroy was here]
#2804916
08/04/20 09:03 AM
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Thank you again... and I learned something today. Surfing on the 'Bay'. I found new USA made LCA. but for A-bodies, Darts, Dusters. Gotta link to it? I can’t find it.
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Re: Advice needed
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08/04/20 09:06 PM
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That is just a right side one, couldn't find a left side. If it’s $200/pr that would be a big deal. It’s got sway bar tabs and bushing is pressed on. I think Jim V sells that for about $300 blasted painted used original.
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