Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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I appreciate the comments. The over center is removed and an adjustable pedal stop in place.
Thanks nd65 Sounds like you have it just the way it's supposed to be A pedal stop is always a good thing to have if you plan on banging the gears with gusto. I adjust my clutch so I have about 1" of free-play at the pedal. Gus
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So leave it there if it ‘helps’ pushing the clutch. The diaphragm clutch stays on the floor because the ‘fingers’ go past center and centrifugal force pulls it in. That’s an adjustment issue, stop travel before it gets to that point. Major problem on Chevys, Been there done that. I want that over spring on there to keep the throw out bearing off the fingers (thats not not the little spring on the bell’s purpose) (keeps pedal from rattling too). If to much travel change the ratio on Z bar, pedal or make a pedal stop. I certainly don’t want the clutch pedal setting below the brake pedal. Seems like you all are looking for a fix for no problem. You should explain that to centerforce then. Or to the guys who put those diaphragm clutches in cars that I fixed by taking the over center spring out.
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So leave it there if it ‘helps’ pushing the clutch. The diaphragm clutch stays on the floor because the ‘fingers’ go past center and centrifugal force pulls it in. That’s an adjustment issue, stop travel before it gets to that point. Major problem on Chevys, Been there done that. I want that over spring on there to keep the throw out bearing off the fingers (thats not not the little spring on the bell’s purpose) (keeps pedal from rattling too). If to much travel change the ratio on Z bar, pedal or make a pedal stop. I certainly don’t want the clutch pedal setting below the brake pedal. Seems like you all are looking for a fix for no problem. You should explain that to centerforce then. Or to the guys who put those diaphragm clutches in cars that I fixed by taking the over center spring out. Seen it all my life, someone says it’s the best thing since sliced bread then all the rest jump on the bandwagon thinking it’s the gospel. In reality it’s a bandaid to make their product look great since the majority cant fix it the right way. But then maybe the centerforce guys are smarter then the Chrysler engineers. So tell me what do you use to keep that throw out bearing off the fingers? Take out a spring, then add another?
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So leave it there if it ‘helps’ pushing the clutch. The diaphragm clutch stays on the floor because the ‘fingers’ go past center and centrifugal force pulls it in. That’s an adjustment issue, stop travel before it gets to that point. Major problem on Chevys, Been there done that. I want that over spring on there to keep the throw out bearing off the fingers (thats not not the little spring on the bell’s purpose) (keeps pedal from rattling too). If to much travel change the ratio on Z bar, pedal or make a pedal stop. I certainly don’t want the clutch pedal setting below the brake pedal. Seems like you all are looking for a fix for no problem. You should explain that to centerforce then. Or to the guys who put those diaphragm clutches in cars that I fixed by taking the over center spring out. Seen it all my life, someone says it’s the best thing since sliced bread then all the rest jump on the bandwagon thinking it’s the gospel. In reality it’s a bandaid to make their product look great since the majority cant fix it the right way. But then maybe the centerforce guys are smarter then the Chrysler engineers. So tell me what do you use to keep that throw out bearing off the fingers? Take out a spring, then add another? There’s still the small spring on the fork. The travel on the pedal is much smoother and doesn’t get sticky with the overcenter spring taken out. You do what works for you, the rest of us will stick with what is recommended and works for us. You should try it and compare. Your stated reasons for keeping it don’t mesh with reality. It won’t rattle and the pedal will sit even, at least on a manual brake car. The over center spring isn’t keeping the TOB off the fingers either. When the pedal returns to the top without one, I’m not sure what you think is different with one.
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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Well that’s just wrong. So is Eberg, me and all the rest who take them out. Can’t wait to have pedal problems again so I can say I do it the right way next time. If I’m lucky I can put one back into a car.
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So tell me what do you use to keep that throw out bearing off the fingers? You tell use because it sure ain't the over center spring. Right out of the 70 FSM.
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So tell me what do you use to keep that throw out bearing off the fingers? You tell use because it sure ain't the over center spring. Right out of the 70 FSM. Look again where the spring is attached on both ends. Clutch fork and lower arm of the z bar. It keeps the rod from falling out (been there) and it has nothing to do with keeping the bearing off the clutch fingers. The over center spring does that, like I said the clutch guys say take it out to idiot proof their clutch. Adjust the ratio for less travel and install a stop
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Re: Diaphram clutch pedal adjustment
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So tell me what do you use to keep that throw out bearing off the fingers? You tell use because it sure ain't the over center spring. Right out of the 70 FSM. Look again where the spring is attached on both ends. Clutch fork and lower arm of the z bar. It keeps the rod from falling out (been there) and it has nothing to do with keeping the bearing off the clutch fingers. The over center spring does that, like I said the clutch guys say take it out to idiot proof their clutch. Adjust the ratio for less travel and install a stop Guess you missed that spring was 6 cyl models only, on V8's the fork return spring is hooked to the bellhousing. the overcenter spring does not keep the throwout bearing off the clutch fingers. The fork return spring does and without that fork return spring the linkage would pull right out of the fork because there is nothing else holding it together when the clutch is released. Here's a pic out of the 73 FSM showing the fork return spring setup.
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