Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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If the marketing guys thought the 402 was something special then they would not have called the car the SS 396. Actually, it’s quite the opposite—there was tremendous brand equity with the SS396 name. Why ruin it? You’re still failing to realize the 402’s heyday is the low-compression era, even though it was introduced in 1970. Its reputation is no different than a 400 B engine, 400 Pontiac, or any other mid-level engine from the era.
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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If the marketing guys thought the 402 was something special then they would not have called the car the SS 396. People back then thought the 402 was a dog even though it was basically the same as the 396. Just got a bad rap, same as the 400. The marketing guys didn’t call it a 402 because: 1. The 396 was an already established engine. 2. SS 396 sounds better than SS 402.
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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If the marketing guys thought the 402 was something special then they would not have called the car the SS 396. People back then thought the 402 was a dog even though it was basically the same as the 396. Just got a bad rap, same as the 400. The marketing guys didn’t call it a 402 because: 1. The 396 was an already established engine. 2. SS 396 sounds better than SS 402. Maybe, but why did they also call it a 400 rather than a 402? It seems pretty clear that they didn't like the 402 name since they didn't use it. I don't know why they didn't like it but it is obvious that they didn't want to advertise it. Kind of reminds me of when GM put the Olds 403 in the Trans Am. They didn't call it by its name either at first. GM ending up paying something like $40M to settle a lawsuit over that.
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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I thought the Firebirds with the Pontiac motors had 400 on the shakers and the 403 had 6.6?
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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I thought the Firebirds with the Pontiac motors had 400 on the shakers and the 403 had 6.6? I think the auto cars got the 6.6 liter sticker and 4 speeds got TA 6.6 (400/220 hp)? I can't recall for sure anymore, and I may be mixing up years here, at the dealer the "official" way was to look at the VIN, if there was a K (I don't recall the 400 code anymore) in it, it was a 403, it not a 400. What we really did was open the hood. The 403 was a tire smoking torque monster, pretty well out of breath by 20 MPH. The base 400 was stronger overall even if the bottom end was a bit softer. The 220 hp 400 was impressive for the time. The later turbo cars were soft on the bottom end but after they came up on boost they ran strong. Anyway, FWIW, best I can recall 40+ years later. edit: a memory returned, I'm only talking about 1977 and later. 1977 was the first year for 403 in a Pontiac. And Buick 350's in the big cars...
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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T/A SHAKER stickers originally: 6.6 LITRE = 403 Oldsmobile T/A 6.6 = 400 Pontiac I think the T/A was only on the 220 hp 400, not the standard version. I can't recall the standard 400 HP but it was better than the 403 / 180 hp. Does W72 sound familiar, that might have been the 220 hp engine? I remember WS6 was a handling option? Included 4 wheel disc brakes? I know if it was as easy as the sticker they wouldn't have had us checking VINS for codes. 2¢
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Re: Chevelle board? A question on the 396/402
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stickers can be easily changed/removed - yes a dealership would have you confirm the original engine installation by the VIN Oldsmobile 403 (VIN code "K - 6.6 LITRE") was 1977-79 ONLY & the ONLY Pontiac 400 available 1977-'79 (VIN code "Z" - T/A 6.6") T/A SHAKER stickers originally: 6.6 LITRE = 403 Oldsmobile T/A 6.6 = 400 Pontiac 1977-'78L78 Pontiac 400 - automatic ONLY L80 Oldsmobile 403 - automatic ONLY W72 Pontiac 400 - automatic & 4-speed (W72 "Performance Package") 1979L80 Oldsmobile 403 - automatic ONLY W72 Pontiac 400 - 4-speed ONLY (W72 "Performance Package")
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