Re: Painting questions
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05/24/20 10:42 PM
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Is the Centari you have left over from a previous repaint of this car? Is this a metallic or solid color? Has your leftover paint already been reduced (thinned)? Is the hood bare metal, primed, original paint, or does it have lacquer on it? What kind of car? Centari was a DuPont product, which is now Axalta; find an Axalta auto paint jobber (store) in your area. Nason is also related, it's their "budget" line, and Axalta products tend to be compatible. There was an accelerator (catalyst) for Centari (speeds flash & dry times), not really necessary but worked well. Later, it was called Activator and became recommended as Centari was pretty slow to flash & cure. Centari was single stage, no clear needed; it can be cleared over, though. The jobber will be able to recommend compatible products, and maybe tech info. You might also find tech info online, as I recently did for some old PPG Delstar I have. You'll need to know mix ratio, flash, recoat & cure times. Get a couple of mixing cups from the jobber or Harbor Freight: they're marked with various mix ratios. Prep for paint is also something the tech sheet or jobber can advise; 320 or 400 on a D-A is probably about right. For a hood, somewhere around a sprayable pint should be enough; don't catalyze more than you need. If the formula is on your leftover can, preserve that for future reference, though toners have changed since then. You'll need a dustfree, ventilated environment, a respirator, and a good, consistent air supply.
There's a lot of info to impart, and I'd highly recommend you practice on something to understand application. Flat rate for just applying color to a hood is about 2.5-3.5 hours, but there's more to it than that, especially if the shop feels the color needs to be blended into adjacent panels. More info from you will help with recommendations.
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Re: Painting questions
[Re: Stanton]
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05/25/20 08:15 AM
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I agree, I think $1000 is fair. What's shop rate these days ... at least $90 an hour I think If I dropped off a car with the hood installed and wanted the hood repainted to color match the existing color, yes, $1000 is reasonable. If I had the hood prepped, took the hood only to a shop and wanted the hood repainted, didn't care about an exact match, then $1000 is excessive. All depends what you want. Don't mean to be a Debbie Downer here but if you have never painted anything before, have none of the equipment necessary, have no one to help you that has some experience, and this is the only thing you will ever paint in your life....spend the money. It only hurts once.
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Re: Painting questions
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05/25/20 09:28 AM
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as a full time body man. from my experiences it usually will coast 2X as much to repair after you messed it up than if a pro just did it from the start.
a not, the body shop where i work the labor rate is $60 hr.
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Re: Painting questions
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05/25/20 09:40 AM
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If you are a member of a car club I am sure there will be an experienced amateur that will help you shoot the hood. If not you should find a club to join. Otherwise there are many do it yourself videos and books you can read. Since you are using leftover paint that matches your existing paint job if you mess it up you will have wasted the matching paint. From what you have posted you will probably not be successful the first few tries.
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Re: Painting questions
[Re: Neil]
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05/25/20 08:36 PM
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I agree that $500 is more like it.
$1000 may be their polite way of telling you they really don't need the work. $500 is more along the line of what I was thinking. Your probably right on your second comment too.
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Re: Painting questions
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05/25/20 08:46 PM
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Is the Centari you have left over from a previous repaint of this car? Yes. Is this a metallic or solid color? Both, Plum Crazy/Gloss black. Plum Crazy outside of the ridges on the top of the hood and also the underside. Gloss black in the center section in between the ridges on the top side. Has your leftover paint already been reduced (thinned)? No. Is the hood bare metal, primed, original paint, or does it have lacquer on it? Right now original paint. I would have it stripped if need be but it is pretty clean as-is. What kind of car? Dart Swinger.
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Re: Painting questions
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05/25/20 10:11 PM
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It sounds like you have never painted a car, or car part before. To me, that means you probably don't have the equipment you need to do the job, and you are intending to "learn" through this experience. If you believe more painting is in your future, it may be worth the expense to get the equipment and have a go at it. Then when you get sick of looking at the mess you created the 1st time out, you will be prepared to sand it down and try again, then do it again until you get to where you are happy. It may be a $1,000 learning experience that if you keep doing it won't matter.
However, if you suspect this is going to be your one and only paint job, pay the pros to do the job, it will be much more cost effective. I don't see how you buy or rent the equipment you will need, and then buy the additional supplies your going to need, and then learn to paint what could be a great job, or a mess of a job, for less money then paying a pro with professional results would cost.
I've done some of this stuff before, painting even a Dart hood and not dragging the hose across, and then get an even smooth coat, takes time to learn. If the paint is metallic, you will be doubling your learning curve. Gene
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