Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I will definitely take pictures of them. I was very surprised that this shaft had a different key way slot. The overall measurements were within spec, it has the governor hole through the shaft, and was advertised as an A518/46rh shaft. The key way is about a 1/4 as deep as the 2wd shaft that I got the governor from. Found this interesting article detailing the endplay measurements on 46rh/re transmissions. From an ATRA March 2008 issue. Found it while searching for overdrive key specs. https://atracom.blob.core.windows.net/gears/2008/2008-03/2008_3_10.pdf
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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When I began this project I was proceeding with the knowledge that the only three components that were different between the 2wd and 4wd versions of the this transmission were the Extension housing itself, the Ouput shaft, and the Seal at the rear of the extension housing. So I began assembling pieces.
My parts list thus far for this build will be:
1. Transtar rebuild kit (seals, steels, Alto and Exedy frictions, etc) $88 2. Precision of New Hampton torque converter $146 3. 4x4 Extension housing $126 4. Ouptut shaft (now x2) $80 total 5. Overdrive planet assembly $60 6. Forward clutch drum and input shaft $45 7. Remanufactured valve body $260 8. Hayden 1405 trans cooler $27 9. Sonnax OD piston retainer $60 10. Various shims, bushings, assembly lube $60 11. Base price of "rebuildable" transmission $350 12. Measuring tools and alignment shaft $100.
Total price $1402 plus $500 labor to have my local mechanic swap the trans for me. (Yes, I thought it would be cheaper to do it this way. I know, I'm an idiot.)
The Pro of all of this is that I'll know how to rebuild this truck's transmission everytime it needs it, and thanks to you, I'm learning how to rebuild it right, the first time.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Here are both shafts. I installed the key in each one to show the difference in depth. The key way slot on the shallow shaft is also substantially longer. Please let me know if you'd like additional photos showing any particular part of these. I've seen pictures of 47rh shafts that have a similar looking keyways as the original shaft. I don't know if that helps at all. Here's a link showing the picture that I found. https://goerend.com/tcs-23-spline-billet-output-shaft-47rh-618101/
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Put the overdrive unit back together and pulled these measurements tonight.
Overdrive Thrust Plate .7829 .7834 .7829 .7829
Chart is saying shim thickness .138-.140. I have the Sonnax shim kit but the base race of that kit is .175, and the spacer that I already have is .213. Luckily I was able to find the correct size for sale.
Intermediate Shaft End Play .7470
The chart says that I need a shim that is .158-.159 thick, Moparpartsgiant.com is the only website that I could find with that size in stock.
Also, pulled the key protrusion measurement, in case anyone ever needs it. Key protrudes .180 proud of shaft.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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So is there another endplay measurement taken once I start re-assembling the main barrel of the transmission?
I wondered that when I kept seeing intermediate shaft endplay shims for sale. Is it a good idea to go ahead and order one of those endplay shim sets to have on hand for this build?
I looked at the washer kit that I bought for this build and saw that I have three of the three tab washers and a new hardened steel race. These look identical to what is pictured in the end play shim kits. Do I have what I need, sir?
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I had to go back to the ATSG book to understand exactly what you meant there, (this is all very new to me.) I am going to list the measurements that I need to take. Please advise me if I have forgotten any critical measurements.
As I am building the main case of the transmission, I take measurements of:
1. The Front Clutch w/ feeler gauge under high point of wavy snap ring (should be within .070-.129")
2. The Rear Clutch w/ feeler gauge under high point of wavy snap ring (should be within .025-.045")
3. Planetary Gear Train End play w/ feeler gauge ( should be within .006-.048")
Once these measurements have been taken and everything is within spec, do I need to use a dial indicator to measure the total shaft endplay once the transmission has been assembled?
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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On the OD shim, use the next thicker shim if you fall in between two shims or you are close to the top of a given spec range.
As for the main ORC I would press it down in the case, re-stake all around it and make sure the set screw is
If you tow, or will be on sand, loose soil or doing pulling make sure you use low gear and not drive, the read band will help save the orc.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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I remeasured the OD shim tonight and I got a nasty surprise. I must have messed up my original measurement somehow. I am glad that you stressed it and that I double checked it.
The correct measurement average is 1.828. The Sonnax shim plus one spacer brings me to .185. The FSM says range is 1.8250 - 1.8399. Shim thickness .183 - .185. Would you leave it at .185 or add another .010 shim?
I turn off the OD unless I'm on the highway, I was told that it would make my trans last longer.
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Re: 46rh Governor Questions
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Thank you for clarifying the shim range. I was fairly certain that I was in bottom of the range, but I'm learning to triple check when it comes to transmissions.
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