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Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: lewtot184] #2773171
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Originally Posted by lewtot184
the more I think about this engine the more I think any kind of performance ignition curve is a waste. your engine, in my opinion, is more efficient than a stocker with that high vacuum. I have a stock 440 I run around in and it's not as efficient as yours. i'd 'bet it's doing well over 20"hg vacuum at cruise speed; maybe 22-24",...? i'd try a curve very similar to the original mopar performance electronic distributors. I think that would be a good baseline and go from there. hopefully your not using a loose torque converter (if this is an automatic transmission) or low rear gears (numerically high).

Ok thanks, i will see if i find some good Mopar distributor or try to rebuild the FBO one. Im using a TCI breakaway converter 2400 stallspeed, the engine have huge low end and not going to see much more than 5500-6000 rpm, no meaning to rev higher with this cam and hydraulic lifters.

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try a 68x52 metering rod. something to keep in mind is the relationship between the engines high vacuum and the annular boosters. the high vacuum may be making the annular boosters over sensitive. i'm sure once the vacuum advance comes into play some of that carbon will be cleaned up. i'd take the FBO distributor apart and see what's in there.

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Originally Posted by lewtot184
try a 68x52 metering rod. something to keep in mind is the relationship between the engines high vacuum and the annular boosters. the high vacuum may be making the annular boosters over sensitive. i'm sure once the vacuum advance comes into play some of that carbon will be cleaned up. i'd take the FBO distributor apart and see what's in there.

Ok i will try it, thanks for the advice

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Hi. I get the FBO distributor working and the engine runs great with it, rock steady ignition timing. 18 initial and the vacuum advance it to 30 at idle ,34 full mechanical. I have 18 hg/inch vacuum. This hows the plugs looks after a test drive, i bring it up to about 4000 rpm a few times, it have stand a while on idle after that, looks pretty rich? I get dry gummy soot on my finger when i drag my finger on it. On one of the pictures you can see how it looks after i try to clean it with my finger. What do you guys think?

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Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: Mopar493] #2775111
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I would lean it down a little bit, what rods are you using with these plugs now?
I'm thinking maybe .003 to no more than .005 larger on the part throttle cruise step on the primary rods scope up
Install one new spark plug (same as is in there now) in either #1 or #2 and drive it normally for 10 to 20 minutes and then pull that plug and put the old one back in to get home with up wrench grin Post another picture of the new plug when you can. What spark plug number are you using now?
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Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: Mopar493] #2775112
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This plug is not to cold tsk
The mixture is to rich though, lean it down a little wrench


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
This plug is not to cold tsk
The mixture is to rich though, lean it down a little wrench

Hi, thanks for answer. Im driving Ngk 6 now, the carb is one step leaner with 63-47 metering rod and the original 5hg orange feather,i have 18hg inch vacuum at idle. I get the FBOdistributor working properly now, its running better with that, no misses at idle and a rock steady timing mark, better with vacuum advance for the street. It looks rich, this big Mopar seems to not want so much fuel😃

Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: Mopar493] #2775198
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Originally Posted by Mopar493
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
This plug is not to cold tsk
The mixture is to rich though, lean it down a little wrench

Hi, thanks for answer. Im driving Ngk 6 now, the carb is one step leaner with 63-47 metering rod and the original 5hg orange feather,i have 18hg inch vacuum at idle. I get the FBOdistributor working properly now, its running better with that, no misses at idle and a rock steady timing mark, better with vacuum advance for the street. It looks rich, this big Mopar seems to not want so much fuel😃


Factory metering rod is .065x.052

If you are running .063x.047 metering rods with the factory jets .104

You are over 8% RICHER from stock


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Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: bee1971] #2775296
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Originally Posted by bee1971
Originally Posted by Mopar493
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
This plug is not to cold tsk
The mixture is to rich though, lean it down a little wrench

Hi, thanks for answer. Im driving Ngk 6 now, the carb is one step leaner with 63-47 metering rod and the original 5hg orange feather,i have 18hg inch vacuum at idle. I get the FBOdistributor working properly now, its running better with that, no misses at idle and a rock steady timing mark, better with vacuum advance for the street. It looks rich, this big Mopar seems to not want so much fuel😃


Factory metering rod is .065x.052

If you are running .063x.047 metering rods with the factory jets .104

You are over 8% RICHER from stock

Hi, i know the usuall avs 800 have .094 primary jet i belive but look at this avs2 800 calibrating chart, both primary and secondary is .104 from factory, richer factory settings of some reason and i see what i have missed to go one step leaner, i have not change the jet from ,104 to .101, otherwise .063x.047 needle is one step leaner on this chart.

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Re: To cold spark plugs? [Re: Mopar493] #2775318
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If you don’t want to dig into the carb to change the Primary Jet

Keep the factory .104 Primary Jet

First try

A .068x.057 Metering Rod and see how your plugs look and the car runs

10 minute job

I run the 7" Vacuum Metering Rod Springs Also


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Originally Posted by bee1971
If you don’t want to dig into the carb to change the Primary Jet

Keep the factory .104 Primary Jet

First try

A .068x.057 Metering Rod and see how your plugs look and the car runs

10 minute job

I run the 7" Vacuum Metering Rod Springs Also

I will try to change the rod and see

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