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Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: B1MAXX] #2762965
04/12/20 10:38 AM
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On some of these BIG manifolds like Bret Miller makes, most guys run at least a 1" open under a 4-hole tapered for best results and Jeff Saucier on here just made 817 hp and 500 something tq w/his little 418 w/this combo iirc with one of my 1150ish blp billet Dommy's and many others run similar spacer combos some up to 4"......


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Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: Thumperdart] #2762982
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I may have an open spacer in the garage for this. I'll have to check.

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: mopar dave] #2762987
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I am not an expert, but have done a little work on manifolds, what I would do is pull off the intake clean it good and have somebody with an aluminum spool gun put a dam about 1/8 high in front of runners 6 and 7 then dimple the floor of the intake and runners with a course carbide bit to help break up puddles of fuel. I don't think any kind of spacer will fix your issue. If you have access to a flow bench try setting the manifold up and using a wand with a string attached, may help decide exactly how to place the dams, and see how much turbulence is in the plenum. I like a lot of turbulence in the plenum and then the flow should straighten in the runners, if that makes sense.

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: jwb123] #2762990
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Not doubting any of that, but an open spacer would be quickie. I have a flow bench but I'm not sure how you would set up a manifold to pull from all 8 at the same time.

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: jwb123] #2763009
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I understand perfectly and had something like that in mind, but wasn't sure exactly what to do. I know years ago guys used popsicle sticks. If I keep the intake long term I will get more interested in your suggestion. Going tunnel ram at end of season to see how I like that first. I'll throw a open spacer on it for now. Thanks guy, great ideas.

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: B1MAXX] #2763026
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[quote=B1MAXX]Not doubting any of that, but an open spacer would be quickie. I have a flow bench but I'm not sure how you would set up a manifold to pull from all 8 at the same time

Most v-8 manifolds I set up pulling out of the two intake runners that set side by side, and use duct tape to block off all the other runners. It is not perfect, but after you do all of them and document flow and velocities, it gives you a better idea of what is going on. I did a couple cast iron dual plane intakes for a pulling truck class that required the OEM manifold, no welding, just work on a milling machine and carbides, they turned out very good. both my buddies had their engines torn down by competitors, who had to post money to have it performed.

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: jwb123] #2763041
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Doesn't take much of a dam.
16th" high, use epoxy.
Can be removed easily if not satisfied with the results.


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Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: jwb123] #2763044
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Originally Posted by jwb123
[quote=B1MAXX]Not doubting any of that, but an open spacer would be quickie. I have a flow bench but I'm not sure how you would set up a manifold to pull from all 8 at the same time

Most v-8 manifolds I set up pulling out of the two intake runners that set side by side, and use duct tape to block off all the other runners. It is not perfect, but after you do all of them and document flow and velocities, it gives you a better idea of what is going on. I did a couple cast iron dual plane intakes for a pulling truck class that required the OEM manifold, no welding, just work on a milling machine and carbides, they turned out very good. both my buddies had their engines torn down by competitors, who had to post money to have it performed.


Got ya!, thanks up

Re: Fuel distribution issues [Re: mopar dave] #2763077
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I've used the Wilson reversion 1.5 inch spacer on all my stroker 400 motors with both the Indy 400-3 early and late intakes, none of them had the interior work done like yours is now.
I have seen 150 degree difference in the EGT on #2 and #7 cylinder on several Indy 440-3 and maybe one stock late model 400-3 with no spacer on two different brand engine dynos shruggy
I had Bob George racing modified one 400-3 intake for me but I don't remember now if it was a early or late model casting or not now blush

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