Since my survivor 1969 R6 Charger was totaled in December of 2018, I have been wanting another driver quality Charger to drive while my pro touring 1968 Charger is being built. I spent three months on the couch recovering from surgery so I spent a lot of time looking but I didn't get serious until about 6 months ago. I really wanted a B5 or Q5 Charger, but so does everyone else! We all know, most original paint cars seem to be green....IN January I found and bought a really solid R4 Charger out of Texas. It had a cheap repaint but was complete. Not two weeks after buying the R4 Charger, I came across this RR1 Charger just 30 miles from me. It had mostly original paint (with a few spot ins) and some greats options like black vinyl top, white interior, cruise control, rear defrost, power breaks, power steering, AC, 3 speed wiper, etc. It had great patina and the paint was chalky/oxidized but I knew my paint detail guy could do wonders with it. The grill is perfect!! It had been a Kansas car all its life. It spent inside for the last 5 years but was outside quite a while before that.
It spent one more night outside while I cleaned up and reorganized the shop.
Step 3...Call up a buddy who does detailing and ask him to schedule me in. He came over with a bunch of different pads and polishes and did some test patches.
For some reason, the patina on the hood and decklid remind me of the marbling in a ribeye steak....hence the nickname. I knew it would look cool but I didn't realize HOW COOL. I never thought I'd like burgundy so much. I think that the primer shining through the thin burgundy really brightens up the color.
I will get some pictures of it outside in the sunlight.....with better wheels!
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2762891 04/11/2010:00 PM04/11/2010:00 PM
I think it is fairly uncommon. I've only seen a couple burgundy Chargers before. It's especially different with Burgundy paint, black top and white interior!!
I tried to remove the vinyl top glue with 3M adhesive remover and acetone but the glue was not coming off so out came the DA.
The trunk floor had a big hole in the middle where water had collected. I spent about 6 hours cutting out the majority of the trunk floor and grinding spot welds.
I'm that guy that keeps pulling the string when it comes to his cars....
I started knocking undercoating off the bottom of the car. I wanted to stop at the seam where the rear passenger foot well pans meet the sheetmetal under the rear seat, but the vibration of the needle scaler would knock loose undercoating up to 12" ahead of where I was working so I ended up removing all the undercoating. The needle scaler has a way of finding the soft spots. The cabin floor pan had looked so good prior to removing the undercoating but now showed pin holes in both front floor pan troughs where water in collects. The worst damage was under the passenger seat, which seems very odd. I called 521 Restorations and ordered a full set of cabin floor pans. It's overkill for sure, but I've come to hate floorpan patches when I can remove and replace the whole cabin floor so easily. Tomorrow I start removing the cabin floor pans...
You just never know what you are going to find. Good thing you looked.
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2785896 06/15/2010:31 PM06/15/2010:31 PM
Well, the day got busy and I only had 1.5 hours to work on the floorpans but the right air chisel makes quick progress of the sheetmetal removal...I still need to go back and remove all the spot welds/sheetmetal strips.
Well, the day got busy and I only had 1.5 hours to work on the floorpans but the right air chisel makes quick progress of the sheetmetal removal...I still need to go back and remove all the spot welds/sheetmetal strips.
My stepfather did kind of the same thing as you with his friends 1968 Chrysler 300, the front floors were rotted as the car is a fast-top and are known for it. That said he cut out part of the floor that was not salvageable and welded in new pieces. Here is some of the work that was done.....
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Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: SportFuryS/23383]
#2786675 06/18/2006:28 AM06/18/2006:28 AM
I dig it !! Love the look of the Sheetmetal replacement.. One day would love to learn how to do that....
Are you going to spray a satin or regular clear over the buffed original paint?
Well done...
Thanks! For now, I'm just going to leave it buffed/waxed and see how long it lasts before it fades. It will be out of the sun so it should last a while
I pulled the dash frame yesterday so I could clean the window channel and firewall a bit and found a Chrysler inspection tag on the A/C box. I thought that was pretty cool. I ground down a bunch of spot welds in the cabin and trunk. I was surprised and pleased with the overall condition of the wheel tub lips. They were all solid except for where the two tub halves meet at the very back.
I've been putting off removing the undercoating from the rear wheel tubs because its such a nasty job but I finally started in on it yesterday. Small areas of the undercoating had fallen out over the years. This way I can seal and undercoat everything from the firewall back.
I used a $30 ebay needle scaler and if you haven't used one to remove undercoating, you really need to. It FLIES off....which is why its so messy!
I'm finally getting back on this one. I am going through the dash now. I cleaned up the dash pads....so nasty. Just cleaned them and used saddle soap to condition them. They turned out better then I expected.
A big push was started so I can hopefully drive it in the spring/summer of 2021. a week ago I tossed some wheels on it, rolled it outside, blew off a bunch of dirt/dust/rust, and took some pics before I transported it to a friend's shop, where he will do some rust repair, weld in new floors, and paint the roof. It hadn't been out in the sun since it was polished up!
This first issue was a weird one: it looks as though the the factory let this Charger leave with voids/gaps in the joint between the top of the right forward pillar and the roof skin. The vinyl top didn't help things any and the top forward corner of the windshield channel rusted through in several places. It was the only spot around the front window. Before and after pics showing the patches...
The right rear pillar was puffing out at the bottom of the quarter to roof joint/seam. The bottom of the lead joint was melted out to see what was needed. The rusty area was cut out and replaced with a fabricated patch. Before and after picture...
The Charger came with white seats from the factory so when I removed the white seats from the car and found the broadcast sheet for a much earlier 1968 Charger, I was very disappointed. But i contacted the guy who I bought it from and he gave me the name a previous owner. After several weeks of trying to set up a date to meet, it finally happened. His parents bought the car in 1969 when it was only one year old. He told me he had the original seats in his barn. The charger had a harness fire and he had removed them due to the smoke/soot on them (I think they will clean up). The barn had a dirt/gravel floor but fortunately the seats had been sitting on the trunk of a Satellite. I flipped the seat over and the broadcast sheet was there! It was bunched and brittle but mostly there. Together we extracted the sheet and I took it home where I flattened and laminated it. I also struck a deal on the original front and rear seats. More pics of those later...Here are pics of the broadcast sheet.
The guy who had the broadcast sheet came across some cool family pictures that the Charger was in so he texted me some pictures. The snowy picture was from the "Blizzard of 1971" (in Wichita, Ks) and the camping picture was from 1972. Notice the trailer that's hooked up in the camping picture. I love this kind of history!
This car had lots of door dings down the side and hail dings on the roof, deckled, and hood. My PDR guy I've used for the last 7 years retired so I found a new guy and sent the passenger side door and deckled out for a test run. He did a nice job!
Rear filler panel support and rear filler panel are now installed. The rear filler panel fit better then anticipated. The flanges that are spot welded together needed pulled/clamped together but I am pleased with the fit overall. The first two pictures are of the real filler panel just resting in place. The rest are after its welded in place.
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2889471 02/16/2110:38 PM02/16/2110:38 PM
I know that feeling. I have had to put some of my cars on the back burner for several years at a time. My 70 Cuda has been on the back burner for 6 years now since I've become infatuated with 68-70 Chargers. LOL
Cabin floor pan is in place. The insides of the subframe rails were treated with POR15.
The doors were pulled in order to rebuild the door hinges. Once the driver's door came off, I was a bit frustrated. My best guess is that the poor leading of the upper pillars allowed water to run down the pillars, which rusted out this area below the upper hinge. I called 521 Restorations and ordered up a driver's side post/pillar. It's so weird how such a solid car has rust in such odd places.
Here's the passenger side. It was also super disappointing to see the first time. But an original donor section was used and I think it turned out well. It has to be the poor lead work at the top corner...oh well!
A disappointing issue to run into, but nice repairs!
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2896297 03/05/2110:00 PM03/05/2110:00 PM
...finally done with sheetmetal repair. Bodywork starts soon.
Another milestone. Nice work!
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2902523 03/24/2109:03 PM03/24/2109:03 PM
Pillars have been spotted in, door hinges have been rebuilt, and doors have been hung (and they close so nicely now). Now that the doors are in place, it makes me appreciate the work the PDR guy did to remove the dings!
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2915918 04/27/2109:17 PM04/27/2109:17 PM
Trunk gutters and rear filler panel have been painted. Rear filler panel was deliberately sprayed thin in areas, to mimic the patina of the original filler panel. I'm pleased with the color matching
Since the PDR guy took out most of the door dings, my paint buddy has been wanting to take a shot at polishing the original paint. I was doubtful it could be improved much but I was WRONG! Look at the light reflections in these pictures!
What did you use on the roof? Assuming this lat black is a sealer of some sort to go under a vinyl roof?
DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: DynoDave]
#2926022 05/23/2110:09 PM05/23/2110:09 PM
What did you use on the roof? Assuming this lat black is a sealer of some sort to go under a vinyl roof?
The flat black is actually a satin single stage finish coat. It had a black vinyl top originally but I don't like what vinyl does to roof skins so I elected to just paint a black top on it. If the next guy really wants to, he can install a vinyl top!
I have been slowly picking away at interior. I have a new Legendary carpet that has been rolled up in a box for 13 years, so it is taking lots of time to form it to the floor pans....hence the sand bags in the picture. The rear upper seat had a clear plastic cover on it that was half on/half off, which is why it has a dirt line that runs from corner to corner. The rear seat cleaned up pretty well, but has some yellowing/staining.
Spent some time cleaning and polishing the engine bay. The passenger side is in much better condition then the driver's side so don't expect as good of results on the other side!!
Gonna pull front suspension and rebuild while you're there?
Yes! Finally pulled all the original front suspension parts out for refurb/replacement. So many rusty cotter pins...I'm also trying to figure out what I want to do for front brakes. This thing has drums on all four corners and that's not fun.
With 5 kids, work, school board, etc, I've not been making much progress on this charger. But I've also been trying to be patient as I've been waiting to make a deal with a previous owner for the complete numbers matching 383-4. I've known where the engine was for the last 3 years and the owner was willing to sell it. The engine is in a Satellite he owns and it hasn't run in over 20 years. We even came to an agreement on price three years ago, but I can't get him to take any action. I've offered to pull the engine for him...I've offered more money for it...He has turned down my offer to pull it and he just won't ever get around to doing it himself. After three years, I've come to the conclusion it won't happen any time soon and I'm tired of waiting. I had also completely rebuilt and powder coated all the front suspension. So the direction is changing for the better.
I'm going Gen 3 hemi, A518, Vintage Air, and RMS front/rear suspension.
Also, I noticed that there is not blackout treatment on the front of the radiator support...and the radiator support has not been repainted.
I'm also going with disc brakes and bigger wheels. Don't judge the wheels just yet. It will look a lot better at ride height, which will be lower. If I didn't mention it earlier, I had my paintless dent repair guy work out the hail dents and door dings.
Got the Charger up on the lift to mock up the drivetrain...
Mounted the cast manifolds first, which are from a 6.4L Jeep Cherokee SRT8. These headers are cheap and they actually came factory on Jeep SRT8's which had 485hp, so they can handle the power and won't break easily. I paid $125 plus shipping for them. The driver's side engine mount had to be redone to accommodate the cast headers. The mount was originally straight...now it is curved.
It's kind of hard to see in these first two pictures, but the tunnel had to be clearanced to get the transmission up into the tunnel where it needed to be.
The torsion bar crossmember lips were trimmed down in the tunnel and a plate was welded in.
I'm going to make a real push to get this thing together and running before summer is over. I sent the transmission crossmember out for powdercoating but took a couple pics first.
I'm going to make a real push to get this thing together and running before summer is over. I sent the transmission crossmember out for powdercoating but took a couple pics first.
Nice work.
Last edited by A990; 03/08/2402:20 AM.
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: A990]
#3225334 04/05/2410:56 PM04/05/2410:56 PM
Although the engine bay cleaned up fairly nice, the driver's side inner fender had a lot of surface rust and some rust around the fender tag and under the battery tray. I briefly thought about just having the driver side inner fender painted but knew the colors wouldn't match so I figured now is the time to just do it once and do it right...I pulled everything out of the engine bay and hauled the charger over to my sheetmetal/paint guy. I had him delete the battery tray shelf since the battery will be in the trunk.
While the engine was getting prepped for paint, I realized that the only areas that haven't been cleaned up on this charger were the outsides of the front inner fenders and the bottom side of the front fenders. I got my needle scaler out and hit these areas to remove the undercoating. If you haven't used a needle scaler yet, you should try it. Just be sure to wear ear/eye protection and a mask. I made a short 3 min video on youtube to show how well a needle scaler does. I've used the torch/scraper before but never will again.
Yeah that does look good! Is that base / clear or single stage?
Also a unrelated question. You have done a few cars, so I would like your opinion. I am getting ready to do final gaps on my 69 Charger and it has the USCar tools subframe connectors and torq boxes installed. When you did final gaps did you have the car on its suspension?
I know it is safest to have the car sitting on front and rear suspension.... BUT I was wondering if I could do the gaps with the car sitting on jack stands? Supported on the rear frame rail and torsion bar crossmember. Later on would I see a variation in door gaps when it goes on its suspension?
Thanks
Re: My new patina'd RR1 burgundy 1968 Charger ("Ribeye")
[Re: mopar4don]
#3237403 06/08/2406:06 PM06/08/2406:06 PM
For a side gig, I part out wrecked SRT8's, Scat Packs, and a few hellcats....so I pulled this 6.4L hemi out of a wrecked 1970 Challenger (of all things!) and the 8HP70 8 speed automatic transmission from a wrecked 2016 Challenger Scat Pack I parted out. The 6.4L only had about 1,000 miles on it...the 8 speed auto has aabout 50K miles on it.
the engine stand is a two piece byt Motor Head...each side mounts via 4 bolts to the engine mount pad. The angles of the tubing are beefy and designed to support a mated engine/transmision or just the engine. The wheels/casters are also high quality