Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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04/15/07 03:32 AM
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Hey guys. I am going to be doing this to my car...very soon. I just spent the past 2 hours reading this thread form the beggining. I got to about page 15. lol. I just want to double check to make sure I am doing every thing right. I drive a 1988 honda accord 4 dr btw...just for reference. The beggining is what I am most unsure of. I don't know what I should remove, and what or even if I am supposed to tape anything off. I know I am going to sand from 80 grit finishing at 150 grit. But what type of sander should i use, or should i do it by hand? After I figure that out, i know mostly what to do. 1- mix mineral spirits with TremClad until just over the consistancy of water. 2- apply 2 coats, no less than 8 hours apart 3- wetsand with 600 grit- no less than 10 hours after last coat 4- apply 2 more coats 5. wetsand with 800 grit 6. two more coats 7. wetsand with 1000-1500 grit, then polish. I guess that is it. I know that I am supposed to go over painted areas 1 min after lightly with the roller to remove bubbles. but thats it. please give me suggestions, and the proper procedure if this is wrong. I will be happy to post all pics...before, during, and after each coat, but i need to know for sure if i am doing this properly. Also, I looked on the canadian tire website, and they have Tremclad Rust Paint, and Tremclad Alkyd Tint Base, Masstone Gloss. I'm thinking the first one, but who knows. Link here, just search tremclad. Thanks alot people.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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04/15/07 11:31 AM
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Exit, I see exactly what your saying. Is it possible to place a stickied at the top of each page that says something like "First time visitors read this first it will save you alot of reading.!" Outline the entire painting process to minimize repeat questions. Even a FAQ might help. Example Q: does this process work with metal flake paint? A: Definetly an experimental paint job that may not yield satisfactory results. Q: Can I get a "show car" paint job with the roller process? A: Great results are achievable with a huge, huge investment in time. Satisfactory "factory paint" results that will bring new life to a old beater are worth the effort.
But, on the upside what this forum has possibly created the largest amount of DIY auto painters in the history of the automobile.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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04/15/07 02:30 PM
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that is wet sanded at an angle. but if i polish it this is as far as i can get it ive used turtle and 3m products
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04/15/07 04:56 PM
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Which Turtle and 3M products did you use? Did you use either a cutting compound or a swirl remover from either brand? How did you apply the products? By hand? With a rotary/RO (and if you did then what buffing pad did you use)?
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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for me, 220 grit leaves a lot of lines underneath a virgin layer of brightside. what i'm doing now is using 220g to get rid of orange peel and driplines, then i'll follow with at least a 600g (what i already have).
i'm trying to wetsand 2nd to final layer smooth, so when i finally add that last layer, it will lay so smooth, that i won't have to wetsand it. i'll just let it dry for a month and buff it.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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04/16/07 10:10 AM
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Thought I would show some progress. here is my corvair with the top half in black. Im on about the 9th coat with alot of sanding in between so probably as thick as 6 layers. The sanding isnt because of the paint, its because the car wasnt as flat as I thought when I started- My Fault. I plan on 2 more layers, final sand with 2000 grit and then lay the last coat on. then use the clay bar and polish it.... then in a few months, polish it a little better. In the picture, the car is dry and I just went over it with a clay bar to remove the garbage sitting on top of the paint..
The paint is layign down VERY smooth. Im very happy with it.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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3m i used a rubbing compound on orange foam pad spritzed with water. this is what we use at work. then i tried turtles rubbing and polish compounds. i think i didnt let it dry long enough. im used to 2 part urethanes and bc/cc's
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04/16/07 12:49 PM
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3m i used a rubbing compound on orange foam pad spritzed with water. this is what we use at work. then i tried turtles rubbing and polish compounds. i think i didnt let it dry long enough. im used to 2 part urethanes and bc/cc's
? you don't let compounds and polishes "dry" on your car. that's not the point of them. the point is to work them while they're wet until they're nearly gone. i'd say looking at your picture that you're not working the material long enough or you just didn't use a low enough grit sandpaper as your final wetsand.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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Radio Joe,
What ratio of spirits to paint are you using?
Can you detail your process-
Your paint is looking really good. I am working with some of the safety red but it does not quite look that good.
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Nathan
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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04/17/07 09:11 AM
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Radio Joe,
What ratio of spirits to paint are you using?
Can you detail your process-
Your paint is looking really good. I am working with some of the safety red but it does not quite look that good.
Thanks,
Nathan
Thanks! I am really happy with it so far. I am using the regular rustomleum "Stops Rust" Gloss Black. I used low odor mineral spirits. I dont really have a ratio, basically just mixed it by feel. The first couple of coats were too thick so I have been thinning it to almost water. Its really quite thin! But it lays down really flat. The layer I put on last before the picture was taken was too thick too, it actually has a VERY fine orange peel in spots.... so I have to thin the next couple of layers a little better.
hers some things I found during my work... most have already been posted:
**PREP PREP PREP!!!! I didnt spend alot of time on the prep as far as removing small marks and such- And black wasnt the best choice on my car (But it just looks so good!). Make sure the car is absolutely flat with no blemishes BEFORE you start. it makes life easier and you will have a better finished product. ** THIN THIN THIN the paint. I use it almost like water and it lays down very smooth- usually with NO orange peel. **Apply the first 3 layers and then start the wetsanding with 600 grit. this will give you a very flat surface and make the paint look that much better- 3 layers help to keep you from sanding through right away **CLAY BAR!!! I usually hate these things but I picked on up at WALMART for $5.00 on clearance (MOTHERS BRAND). I use it in between coats I dont plan to sand to remove any specs that settled on top of the paint. The plan is to ge tthe last coat to lay down flat and use the clay bar instead of final sanding to eliminate some HAZE. **NEW ROLLERS AND TRAYS- It makes it cost alittle more to keep changing the roller and tray but they are only a few dollars and you get better results **********PUT THE CAR IN THE SUN!!!!! I am working in my carport. I put on a layer of paint in the morning, wait about an hour or 2 until it is almost hard and then push the car out into the sun. the sun really bakes the paint on hard. It seems if I just leave it in the car port- even for a few days, it doesnt quite harden completely, If I push it out in the sun it hardens in a few hours. SOmetimes I put on a coat of paint at night before bed, and in the mornign it is still tacky. I will push the car out of the carport before i leave for work and let it bake in the sun all day while i am at work. I am hoping when I am doen with all the paint, it should be nice and sunny and hot here in South Carolina so I can leave it to bake in the sun for a week or 2 before putting everything back together.
So far I have 1 quart of paint on the car, when I am done I think I will have used just over 1 quart of black and 1 and a half of SUNRISE RED. I think the total cost I will have in the paint job including the rollers, paint, tape, spirits etc will be $100.00.
As for sandpaper- I could only find little packages of 1000, 1500 and 2000 grit in the auto department of WALMART or the local pepboys/autozone etc.
What I am most happy about is the renewed interest this has goven me in my stalled project.
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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED
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i dont think the paint was dry enough. thats wet sanded w/ 2000. i said screw it and got me a $2 can of orange high gloss spray paint. looks good. its only a speaker box. i was testing on that before i go and mess with my car.
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just get some heavy duty aluminum foil to line your paint tray!
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Has anyone tried the scotchbright type pads to sand?
Scotchbrite pads will not remove orange peel, but for someone who has waited too long between coats of paint, it's a good idea to scuff over the previous coat to avoid adhesion problems. Red Scotchbrite would be good for that.
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I'm going to buy paint tomorrow. I have read about 50 pages of this thread, but I am still unsure about the paint to buy. I have 2 links from Canadian Tire. This One Or This One Which one??? Please help me out as I need to buy it tomorrow and that will be my only chance to go all week. I will be testing on a hood tomorrow, and if it works out, I will be doing my whole car. I am completly willing to post all pictures as I progress, but I really need to know which paint to go for before I start. Thanks alot people!
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