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New Wedge and Hemi blocks #2735043
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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: kwikblownhemi] #2735051
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Seems there were (are) a number of folks who either tried or refused to deal with Tony.

So I'll just leave this here

popcorn


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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: CMcAllister] #2735061
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They were talking about this last month at PRI. Did not want to say anything till it actually happened. This is GREAT news !!!
For most of the last year we have not had any blocks available and by the end of this year we should have 5 people producing iron and aluminum blocks.

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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: CMcAllister] #2735064
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Seems there were (are) a number of folks who either tried or refused to deal with Tony.

So I'll just leave this here

popcorn


Tony?...akaFiat maybe?

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: sasquatch] #2735070
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Originally Posted by sasquatch
They were talking about this last month at PRI. Did not want to say anything till it actually happened. This is GREAT news !!!
For most of the last year we have not had any blocks available and by the end of this year we should have 5 people producing iron and aluminum blocks.



That would be some great news for sure.

Keith Black

Bill Mitchell

Bulldog

Indy

Callies

Is this list correct?

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: kwikblownhemi] #2735113
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Short deck guys left out in the cold again


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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: kwikblownhemi] #2735122
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If they're cast from original type molds that means they are thin wall and worthless for a high output race engine.

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: Scully] #2735125
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Originally Posted by Scully
If they're cast from original type molds that means they are thin wall and worthless for a high output race engine.


I don't think that is what they are talking about. When they say Mopar tooling I think it means the Mopar tooling that was used for the Mega blocks and/or the World blocks. Probably need Zippy to clear it up but I think Mopar always owned that tooling, it just got moved from foundry to foundry. I assume that tooling is still around and that Mopar owns it and now they've found another home for it. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2735126
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Originally Posted by cdwmotorsports
Short deck guys left out in the cold again


In theory the low deck block makes more sense but in the real world it seems that people prefer the RB block. I'm not sure why that is, the low deck engine isn't really that low of a deck. The B block is still taller than a BB Chevy for example. But the aftermarket has basically decided that the RB block is the one to make parts for so that is what we have. The block doesn't need to be that tall for good performance but for some reason everyone seems to want the tall block.

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: kwikblownhemi] #2735137
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I wonder if this is why Callies "stopped" making mopar cranks? They were probably working on this deal

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I have a friend that is putting together a Bulldog short deck combo at the moment, not sure how readily available they are, but it was sent over the pond late last year.


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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: LA360] #2735147
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Yes that list is correct. BTW both Indy and Bulldog offer low decks for your B block needs. No idea about the new Callies and Keith Black has said in the past that with actual orders they would look into it.
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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: sasquatch] #2735192
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I wish it was in my budget to support the effort, simply because the people who are investing in these projects really need to see a positive return.

That said, out of the companies that were listed...
- Keith Black
- Bill Mitchell
- Bulldog
- Indy
- Callies

... a year from now, is any one of the above going to be able to deliver a quality product in a reasonable (2-4 weeks?) timeframe from when an order is placed?

From an industry outsider's perspective, most of those companies' track records haven't been that great.

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: BradH] #2735204
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What are the chances that we are going from too few choices to too many choices?


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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: kwikblownhemi] #2735215
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Yeah, that's been in the works for awhile now. did not want to say
anything as I was sworn to secrecy.

Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by Scully
If they're cast from original type molds that means they are thin wall and worthless for a high output race engine.


I don't think that is what they are talking about. When they say Mopar tooling I think it means the Mopar tooling that was used for the Mega blocks and/or the World blocks. Probably need Zippy to clear it up but I think Mopar always owned that tooling, it just got moved from foundry to foundry. I assume that tooling is still around and that Mopar owns it and now they've found another home for it. Guess we'll find out soon enough.


Yeah Andy is partially correct. I believe this should, most likely, be the 2008 Mopar Performance block that most of us called a World block.

Months back, my source mentioned he had been digging and had learned the tools were still at Dalton, who originally cast them. It was never moved during the time I was there.
To the best of my knowledge the intent is to stay at Dalton, as it's super expensive to rework that stuff + I doubt anywhere else would be interested in doing it anyway.

As far as original (1970s) big block block tooling goes, as far as I know that was all scrapped as part of the agreement Iacocca made during the bankruptcy during his tenure.
At that time, Chrysler Marine and Industrial still had a purpose for the big block, but the government directed that division be dissolved
and everything associated with it sent to scrap for the bankruptcy to be approved.

Edit.................there is more to the story and I don't believe we've heard the end of it. I believe somebody is going to throw a wildcard on the table,
and things might not be what they seem.






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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: ZIPPY] #2735222
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Yup that is pretty much everything I heard as well. There was a lot more going on with the whole Indy, Mopar Performance, Don Schumakers that someone should write a book about. LONG story. People might be surprised about who the hero of that story is. Todd

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Originally Posted by sasquatch
Yup that is pretty much everything I heard as well. There was a lot more going on with the whole Indy, Mopar Performance, Don Schumakers that someone should write a book about. LONG story. People might be surprised about who the hero of that story is. Todd


Hmm. That’s like saying, “I know who shot JFK and I’m not telling anyone.” It doesn’t do much good the say it in the first place. Lol!
I figure Mopar will do what they always do and price the block so expensive no one can afford one. $6500 each and they say, “ no one wants these anymore”. No kidding!

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Originally Posted by fastmark
Originally Posted by sasquatch
Yup that is pretty much everything I heard as well. There was a lot more going on with the whole Indy, Mopar Performance, Don Schumakers that someone should write a book about. LONG story. People might be surprised about who the hero of that story is. Todd


Hmm. That’s like saying, “I know who shot JFK and I’m not telling anyone.” It doesn’t do much good the say it in the first place. Lol!
I figure Mopar will do what they always do and price the block so expensive no one can afford one. $6500 each and they say, “ no one wants these anymore”. No kidding!





I could see any of them being the unexpected hero except mopar so it must be them, I would be shocked if they did anything truly helpful to the old car community.


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Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: fastmark] #2735302
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Out of curiosity, I checked Bill Mitchell to see what info is posted re Wedge blocks. Iron are simply "unavailable", while aluminum are said to be 120 - 160 days lead time. Aluminum is about $6K, and it's not "done"... maybe another $1K to be ready to assemble?

A quick check on the BBC blocks shows about $5K for an aluminum piece, and I a$$ume they require comparable additional prep work. However, their iron options are $2300 - $3000, whereas the unavailable BBM iron blocks are about $4300.

Well, that's TODAY'S info.

Re: New Wedge and Hemi blocks [Re: BradH] #2735329
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it is great to see all this interest from suppliers .
However like a lot I might choose to believe it when I actually see it . I think also that people may have to accept a limited choice of block style . Whilst there is demand , there may be more limited demand for the too far from stock architecture , so if only RB mega/world style just be happy for that . At least in iron .
Glad I lucked onto a NIB World block here in Oz . I might have paid through the nose but I did get it

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