Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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I just got off the phone with Keith at Wilson's and just as I suspected from the start, I need more velocity. He asked if it was laying down in 3rd gear. Yep, he says with the big ports, the fuel is falling out of suspension and never being used, just going out the pipe . He wants heads and intake to inspect. He says everything can be adjusted in the intake and most dont know this. It will take lengthening the port and making smaller with some welding, $1675. My thinking, a smaller intake cost way less, but I dont think there is another brand 4500 lo deck available. In the end he said compression would be my friend in this situation. Low compression such as mine is allowing fuel to fall out with the big ports in this combo. Looks like I'm on the right track. Wow, what an idea... whish I'd thought of suggesting you ask Wilson about doing something like that.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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The 4500 M1 intake worked pretty well with the 270 heads on my 470. The Wilson prepped Indy 400-3 worked better, but the Wilson prepped M1 4500 with standard ports worked really well. This was on the dyno. Going down the track the std port M1 might have been faster. I never tested in a car but it wouldn't surprise me. You should've bought these intakes from me when I sold them. I sold them for about half of what it will cost you to have Wilson port your intake.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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The way I see it is like this.......
There are a lot of options out there when you’re talking about $1675...... plus shipping both ways for the heads and manifold....... and that price doesn’t include reworking the heads any. By the time you do the intake and shipping, rework the heads, plus a bunch of milling....... it’s easily a $2500 proposition.
For example........ if you sold the whole current top end, and added whatever $$$ you get from it to that $1675+ shipping....... you could buy a new set of heads and manifold.
Oh, and if the heads are getting milled a bunch...... that should be done before the intake gets matched to the heads. Wilson might be able to perform that operation as well.
And of course....... to put some of that into perspective(confuse the issue?)........ those very heads(as “wrong” as they are)have already gone well into the nines.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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I wasn’t referring to Wilson reworking the heads. I was referring to the $1675+ shipping to have the manifold done....... plus whatever you spend with someone like Total Flow going through your heads.
It’s probably going to be around $250 to ship the heads and manifold from Mi to Fl and back...... so that puts the cost for that operation at $1925. Add $500-600 to have the heads gone through plus a bunch of milling....... you’re at $2500.......or more.
Regardless of the fact that the heads have already gone 9’s, you don’t have any confidence in them. You’ll never be happy with them.
Flip the top end now before you spend a bunch more money on it, that you’ll wish you’d spent on different heads.
It sure seems that me what you really want is different heads and a 470. You should just work towards that goal.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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The standard-port M1 fit w/ the MW ports? Are the Trick Flow MW ports smaller than "normal" MW ports, by some chance? Yes, the M1 manifold fit on the 270 heads. There wasn't a lot of extra material around the ports so I'm not so sure I'd try it on a daily driver but it worked fine on the dyno. Here is a link to the magazine article: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-day-trick-flow-270-mopar-heads/You have to kind of piece the information together since it wasn't what I was trying to showcase in the article. But I didn't hide the fact either that the Indy intake wasn't very good so we swapped the Wilson ported M1 back on the engine. The engine ran great with the Wilson ported M1 on the 270 heads. It ran better than I thought it would since the standard port intake dumping into MW port heads has a really big step.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Don’t you have Hughes rockers now? If they didn’t sell with the heads...... you’d only need to buy 8 rockers for the intakes and some spacers.
Of course..... with a little clearancing...... what you have might fit.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Yes, you obviously did, but I also mentioned way back about buying a smaller intake because I suspected this Indy was designed for a bigger program than mine imo. I think I remember my idea getting poo pooped by a few here. Like you said before, combination and I always agree with that, but compression and velocity matter as well. I probably made this intake worse for my combo with the bigger plenum. I wont spend $1700 on it. I can get a new intake for about $500. Gonna show these heads to sanchez tomorrow. I think I'll take the intake with me. Yeah, you mentioned the small intake idea a ways back. Sounds like the discussion has continued to move on from what I just read on a couple of threads, so this is probably a good time for me to bow out.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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The 337 is RB only.
The low deck TG has some serious flow restrictions adjacent to the 4 inner mounting holes.
For $1675....... Wilson could probably help it out though. That would be an interesting experiment.
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Re: A few question about the E MW victor head
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Ideally, if you sold the heads, the rockers would go with them.
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