Wow, what an idea... whish I'd thought of suggesting you ask Wilson about doing something like that.

The 4500 M1 intake worked pretty well with the 270 heads on my 470. The Wilson prepped Indy 400-3 worked better, but the Wilson prepped M1 4500 with standard ports worked really well. This was on the dyno. Going down the track the std port M1 might have been faster. I never tested in a car but it wouldn't surprise me. You should've bought these intakes from me when I sold them. I sold them for about half of what it will cost you to have Wilson port your intake.

The standard-port M1 fit w/ the MW ports? Are the Trick Flow MW ports smaller than "normal" MW ports, by some chance?

Yes, you obviously did, but I also mentioned way back about buying a smaller intake because I suspected this Indy was designed for a bigger program than mine imo. I think I remember my idea getting poo pooped by a few here. Like you said before, combination and I always agree with that, but compression and velocity matter as well. I probably made this intake worse for my combo with the bigger plenum. I wont spend $1700 on it. I can get a new intake for about $500. Gonna show these heads to sanchez tomorrow. I think I'll take the intake with me.

Yeah, hind sight is always 20/20. I'll look for an m1 or a victor. I'll make something work.

The way I see it is like this.......

There are a lot of options out there when you’re talking about $1675...... plus shipping both ways for the heads and manifold....... and that price doesn’t include reworking the heads any.
By the time you do the intake and shipping, rework the heads, plus a bunch of milling....... it’s easily a $2500 proposition.

For example........ if you sold the whole current top end, and added whatever $$$ you get from it to that $1675+ shipping....... you could buy a new set of heads and manifold.

Oh, and if the heads are getting milled a bunch...... that should be done before the intake gets matched to the heads.
Wilson might be able to perform that operation as well.

And of course....... to put some of that into perspective(confuse the issue?)........ those very heads(as “wrong” as they are)have already gone well into the nines.

Dwayne, Its my understanding he is not reworking the heads, but he does want both heads. He claims he can fix a head with too big of port and low velocity with intake work alone. First I have ever heard this, so it would be intake work alone. He did say to have the heads machine before sending to him. Believe me, I already done the numbers as far as money and the other avenues I could go down by selling these heads and putting $1500 with it for a new set. As you said, these heads already worked on another combo. As I have thought all along, I dont think any ports need to be any bigger. I'll concentrate on the compression and look at some different intakes. I think theres only 3 available. TF, victor and m1 if I can find one. I have learned a bunch from this site. Thanks guys.

I wasn’t referring to Wilson reworking the heads.
I was referring to the $1675+ shipping to have the manifold done....... plus whatever you spend with someone like Total Flow going through your heads.

It’s probably going to be around $250 to ship the heads and manifold from Mi to Fl and back...... so that puts the cost for that operation at $1925. Add $500-600 to have the heads gone through plus a bunch of milling....... you’re at $2500.......or more.

Regardless of the fact that the heads have already gone 9’s, you don’t have any confidence in them.
You’ll never be happy with them.

Flip the top end now before you spend a bunch more money on it, that you’ll wish you’d spent on different heads.

It sure seems that me what you really want is different heads and a 470.
You should just work towards that goal.

Yes, the M1 manifold fit on the 270 heads. There wasn't a lot of extra material around the ports so I'm not so sure I'd try it on a daily driver but it worked fine on the dyno. Here is a link to the magazine article: http://www.hotrod.com/articles/dyno-day-trick-flow-270-mopar-heads/

You have to kind of piece the information together since it wasn't what I was trying to showcase in the article. But I didn't hide the fact either that the Indy intake wasn't very good so we swapped the Wilson ported M1 back on the engine. The engine ran great with the Wilson ported M1 on the 270 heads. It ran better than I thought it would since the standard port intake dumping into MW port heads has a really big step.

Yes, I understood what you said. At this point I dont think they need alot of work. Maybe a v job and some milling. I'm curious to get sanchez opinion on these as well. They did work well on another combo and the 2 things he had that my combo dont is compression and a roller, oh and he used a victor intake. I'm very confident the higher compression will bring the combo together. For what I would get out of these and the intake, I would still have to put in $2000 or more by the time I bought the rockers and pushrod. Then I'm not sure my headers would bolt up. Decisions decisions

Don’t you have Hughes rockers now?
If they didn’t sell with the heads...... you’d only need to buy 8 rockers for the intakes and some spacers.

Of course..... with a little clearancing...... what you have might fit.

Are you say the hughes rockers I have fit the tf270 head? Those intake rockers are $50ea last I looked. I will keep that in mind.

Yeah, you mentioned the small intake idea a ways back.

Sounds like the discussion has continued to move on from what I just read on a couple of threads, so this is probably a good time for me to bow out.

I think there was quite a bit of good info that came out in this thread. I know I learned from it.

These old Team G intakes any good?https://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-383-400-INTAKE-MANIFOLD-WEIAND-TEAM-G-DOMINATOR-FLANGE-SINGLE-PLANE/283506702647?epid=8023121884&hash=item420250f937:g:9LAAAOSw8WJc7gbY

Run away as fast as you can!! Make a plan Dave and stick with it...

ok, team G a nogo. got it.

Brad, just to be clear. I did ask Wilsons about smaller ports in the intake to help crutch the head just as you suggested. Thanks for that suggestion. I think you and I were on the same page about that theory in another post a few weeks ago. I'm now going back to those original thoughts of a smaller intake. I have about 4 months to find one used if I can. I will keep an eye out for the elusive 337 as well. I believe that was a lo deck intake?

The 337 is RB only.

The low deck TG has some serious flow restrictions adjacent to the 4 inner mounting holes.

For $1675....... Wilson could probably help it out though.
That would be an interesting experiment.

Ideally, if you sold the heads, the rockers would go with them.