I currently have a fairly mild and well sorted combo in a D150 - 440 (9:1 comp, 236 @ 50 cam), 727 w/ 4k stall and D60 w/4.10. This combo has been 7.50s and has proved trouble free.

Unfortunately, I’ve grown a bit bored with the combo and lately I’ve been weighing my options as to which direction to pursue next.

Goals:
-Good all-around street / strip vehicle.
-Ability to confidently drive 2+ hours (one way) to race
-Better the current best ET - would love 7.0x - 7.2xs (1/8 mile - so low 11s ¼ mile) but that may be a stretch given the weight of my truck

One direction I’m contemplating is moving to the Gen3 platform vs building a RB stroker. I will be selling my collection of B / RB engines & parts as well as the current engine in the truck to fund this – I estimate I will have about $4500 (+/-) to dedicated towards the engine. I intend to bite the bullet and go EFI on this one, which will require a fuel system up grade (lines + tank)

I’m estimating a Gen3 (w/ 904) at 500 - 525hp at the crank would accomplish my goals – open for debate if someone sees differently

If one was starting from scratch, what is the best course of action for simple n/a Gen3 build?

Two specific options I’m looking at (based on ease of getting it up running and swapped) are:
1) sbe 5.7 w/ eagle heads and 273 cam – a member on here built a similar combo with good results
2) sbe 6.1 w/ cam

I could be way off base here but I’d love to hear some advice / combos from those that have been down this road. Seems like there are a lot of "template" builds for the B/ RB stuff but not much for the Gen3 platform.

Well, for heads the Eddy heads are nice because they can be ported, but also because they will fit a 5.7,6.1,6.4 & a 6.2 block.....Dual bolt pattern on them....For blocks, what ever you can find.

Any of the available heads can easily make 500 HP, even the lowly 03-08 5.7 open chamber heads. For a budget though I would get eagle heads, flow like a full ported early head and don't cost hardly any more with the added benefit of small closed chambers. Get a good cam, the tall intake and good long tube headers and an eagle head on an early short block should make 500 easily.

there have been more than one example of what to do with these motors to make some steam. Dustin "Triple threat" built a very reliable bullet that can be driven on the street. a lot of other guys chimed in on his build and did compares. no need to do Eddy heads get the eagles for under $900 have them looked at maybe up grade springs and bolt them on and have fun.

the thread is called My Bracket Build

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthread...7/my-bracket-hemi-build.html#Post1970437

Just my two cents

This is what I'm thinking is the easiest introduction into the Gen 3 world. Based on everything I've seen so far, the 500 number seems to be attainable. As a benefit, it should make a bit more steam than my current 440 with the added benefit of losing a bit of nose weight and the ability to move to a 904 with less reciprocating loss.

Initially was worried about piston and rod longevity, but it appears that people are hammering them with boost / nitrous and they seem to live.

Any idea what the loss would be using Jeep SRT manifold's vs long tubes?



I've read through Dustin's build in the past. However this is way beyond what I'm trying to accomplish.

his build is very impressive for sure. I took his build and tailored it to my budget, so we will see what happens when I start up.
I have a complete core I bought, in my garage that I will start to play with over this winter and maybe get a long block to have a spare for my son and I. it doesn't take up much space on the engine stand in the corner of the garage. just for reference I purchased two core motors that needed the blocks machined 30 over for $75 each. the heads were shot but I knew that going into them that's why I purchased the eagle heads. one thing to caution you on is what crank you chose from what years due to the tooth count. for the msd I needed to buy one version so I am stuck with the 32 tooth count going forward. not a big deal but worth mentioning.

My youngest daughter has a 76 D100 RC stepside 4x2 triangulated 4 link ,Dana 60 started off with 4.10s .The 1st G3 that was in it was stock 08 long block ,Hughes SER3034 .582/.589 230/234@50 with the OCP intake, Holley 780 MSD Hemi-6 ,A833 truck weighed in at 3650 race weight , intake held it back but it still went 11.80s at 109-112(EST HP 425)
We changed the heads over to a set of locally ported 06's .with 2.02/1.60 valves milled .030, XV intake ,same cam and carb , up it about 45-50 hp and now was going thru the traps @7000 changed over to 4.56s truck went a best 11.40s @ 117/8 Next we installed a 347CI G3 3.922X3.59 DSS pistons,Molnar crankshaft,Compression was in the high 11s, heads redone exhaust ports were heavily modified , idea came from Shady Dell's B1-Ba D shape port, Cam was Hughes Custom grind, .600/590,260/260 @ 50 , very High strung shift point was now in the 7400 range at this point the XV intake was the weak link. trans was changed over to a T-56 she still drove this 76 to work 2x a week ,and we live about 40 Min from Island drag way in NJ.this combo went 10.90s@ 120/122.estHp 550/560hp Intake really held it back, but we were limited in intake choices, I think it could of gone in to the high 59X- 6XX Hp with a intake that used the older intake port shape.
Current Combo is 396Ci 5.7 Based 3.947X4.05 , Heads are mostly stock Eagles, 2.08 and 1.625 valves no port work just cleaned up the bowls after machine work and gave the heads a burr finish,they still have the "push rod humps" went back to the Hughes SER3034 cam shaft , Prefix intake manifold 4.10s , truck is much more street-able and still runs High 10s on pump gas(93).

New combo is a 441Ci BGE based 4.125X4.125(modified 4.08 crankshaft) Ported Apaches 2.20X1.65, Cam is up in the air right now waiting on our builder to get back to us . bought a drag pak intake and switching over to EFI. she's aiming for mid 9s with it now ...she wants to b!tch slap the ole mans G2 hemi D100....she's a pit bull once she gets a bit on something she goes for the kill.

My builder has a 78 Warlock Original 440 truck that has a relatively stock 2014 SRT392, Ritter intake and Comp cams 201-428-17 .619/.612 226/234@50 truck runs 10.80s@120s this truck weighs in around 3200 and has been a dedicated "race truck" since the 80s. well sorted chassis.

Thanks for the info!

Was the ’08 long block a 5.7? Do you think there was any ET to be gained with an auto vs the A833?

the 08 was a 5.7, as for the A833 Vs the 727, I can't honestly answer that , the 76 she has now has been in the family since new and it was a 400 4 speed (NP435) ,my oldest daughter raced the truck 1st and that's when it swapped over to a 18 spline Box with a Long shifter HB 1000s .

I don't have any 727 experience ,My 74 D100 has an old Liberty Gear 18 spline behind the G2, . Both of my Lighting trucks use Rossler TH400.XHD in the 01 and a terminator 4 in the 93...Irony is I've never had a Ford auto behind any of my fords for more then a year...LOL

What did you need to do to put the a833 behind the G3?

we used a Small block Bell housing Quicktime #6072