Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: Alaskan_TA]
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Remove your distributor cap so you can see the rotor.
Get a breaker bar & find a socket the right size for the harmonic balancer bolt inside the crank pulley.
Rotate engine just until you see the rotor end move.
Then change directions, if you can turn the engine several degrees before the rotor starts to swing back, your timing chain and / or pulleys have worn to excess. This^ Plus check the relationship of the harmonic balancer timing mark relative to #1 cylinder tower on the firing stroke.It should be close to the tower,if not the chain jumped or is severely worn at minimum.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: RTSrunner]
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09/02/19 11:17 AM
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With a 1&1/4" socket/breaker bar slowly bump/hand turn the crank so the timing mark slit on the dampener is coming up to the TDC (zero) mark on the timing tab & stop when the points "just" open (use your test light) & note the dampener reading at that point. EDIT Say your initial was "15" so that is what you would get (or very close to 15) if no damage (that'd be your normal timing). If it has jumped a tooth you will be way off from 15. You could divide the # of teeth on the crank sprocket into 360 to get the # of crank degrees it would off from 15 if it has jumped a tooth (& the wear as mentioned would exacerbate that # even further). Holler how it turns out.
Last edited by RapidRobert; 09/02/19 11:34 AM.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: RapidRobert]
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09/04/19 01:36 PM
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over the weekend, I rented a compression tester from Oreily's.
got the following results (partial):
cylinder 1: 100 psi cylinder 2: 50 psi cylinder 3: 95 psi cylinder 4: 105 psi cylinder 5: 120 psi cylinder 6: 100 psi cylinder 7: unknown, can't get to it. cylinder 8: 110 psi.
when i removed plugs, both spark plugs on cylinder 7 and 8 are soaked with gasoline. I probably flooded them when I was trying to start by keeping on tapping on the gas paddle.
so, based on the above information, what you guys think?
thanks so much for voicing your opinions, all appreciated.
Last edited by stephen; 05/13/20 04:23 PM.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: stephen]
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09/04/19 02:06 PM
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If you are sure you got accurate readings on 3 & 5, you've got a problem. Next step could be a leak down test to see if it's leaking compression pat the valves or rings, but either way, it's time to break out the tools and start taking the engine down.
Could be blown head gasket since you have low compression on two adjacent cylinders.
Last edited by HemiSportFury; 09/04/19 02:07 PM.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: stephen]
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09/04/19 06:14 PM
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Redo the compression test, but if cylinders 3 & 5 don't come way up, you have a problem.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: HemiSportFury]
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09/05/19 10:11 AM
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If you are sure you got accurate readings on 3 & 5, you've got a problem. Next step could be a leak down test to see if it's leaking compression pat the valves or rings, but either way, it's time to break out the tools and start taking the engine down.
Could be blown head gasket since you have low compression on two adjacent cylinders. He doesn't have low compression on two adjacent cylinders. 3 is a touch low but within guide lines. Cylinder 2 and 5 are the issues and they are not adjacent.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: Sniper]
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09/05/19 02:45 PM
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I'd be more worried about cylinder 2 and not 3. My bad. Old eyes saw it as 3 not 2. So ignore the comments about adjacent cylinders. Still a big problem though. Other poster is correct: it should start but it will not run good at all.
'64 Sport Fury, 528 Hemi, FiTech EFI, 4-speed, 4.10 Dana 60 '57 Belvedere 2dr sedan, current project in process '19 Cherokee Trail Hawk Elite '03 Ram 2500 CTD HO, 6-speed 214,000 miles and still going strong
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: stephen]
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05/13/20 04:45 PM
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sorry, my bad. I re-tested #5, compression is 120.
So here is result of the new test (sober test, didn't drink any beer this time).
cylinder 1: 100 psi cylinder 2: 50 psi cylinder 3: 95 psi cylinder 4: 105 psi cylinder 5: 120 psi cylinder 6: 100 psi cylinder 7: unknown, can't get to it. cylinder 8: 110 psi. A pop out the exhaust would tell me the exhaust valve on the cylinder with 50 PSI is the problem. 1st thing I would do is verify all the rocker arms are moving and the valves opening. It could be a wiped cam or collapsed lifter....If that is good then check your timing relationship between the distributor and the balancer. 1 way to verify crank/cam timing is to find TDC on Compression Stroke. Line up balancer line and zero on the water pump tag. Then see if the rotor tip is pointed at #1, if so, it is not timing chain.
Last edited by mopar97; 05/13/20 05:02 PM.
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
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05/13/20 06:00 PM
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even compression is as low as 50, it still should start, right?
Yes Back to basics...compression test 1st,spark plug condition check , firing order, distributor cap,rotor check,spark plug wire check for ohms,check for spark at each plug..not just 1..gas flow and volume.. Agreed, 1000% Always, ALWAYS start with the basics. Do you have spark? if so,,,Good, If not, why not ? Pull the air cleaner and pump the throttle while looking down the carb, See fuel spraying? if so, Good, If not, why not? But based on your initial post. My gut says the timing chain jumped
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Re: Won't start, I am throwing in the towel
[Re: stephen]
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05/13/20 08:49 PM
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even compression is as low as 50, it still should start, right? Not if the timing chain has jumped a tooth or two I had that happen on a early (1959) poly 318 truck motor, I started it up in the winter, went to back up and it tried to stall and backfired through the carb. It restarted but didn't have any power after that due to the timing chain being worn out and it had jump a tooth retarding the cam timing The fix was to replace the timing chain and gears with new ones, which it sounds like you need to do also Get some good help or take it to a good shop to have it tested and fixed properly
Last edited by Cab_Burge; 05/13/20 08:50 PM.
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