Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.
Why, no clue but they are looking for them.
Maybe they disappeared - that wouldn’t surprise me. Question is, who would take them ?
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.
Why, no clue but they are looking for them.
Maybe they disappeared - that wouldn’t surprise me. Question is, who would take them ? Thank you for that tidbit....Might be a glimmer of hope, then. It begs the question which generation they were after. OEM, recent, or in between, since it was all made differently..... No reason to look for the print unless some sort of action is supposed to follow, so that adds interest.
Rich H.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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I thought you had ‘em
I don’t have ‘em....... I thought you had ‘em
Huh....... well, then I don’t know where they are
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.
Why, no clue but they are looking for them.
Maybe they disappeared - that wouldn’t surprise me. Question is, who would take them ? Thank you for that tidbit....Might be a glimmer of hope, then. It begs the question which generation they were after. OEM, recent, or in between, since it was all made differently..... No reason to look for the print unless some sort of action is supposed to follow, so that adds interest. The prints in question are for the corrected Gen II stuff. They corrected all the machining and casting issues that accumulated over time starting from Cummins.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Nothing to add except I have 8 gen 3 motors in the garage. Just bought a 6.4 out of a truck for $500
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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I thought you had ‘em
I don’t have ‘em....... I thought you had ‘em
Huh....... well, then I don’t know where they are I gave 'em to you!
Rich H.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Makes me all the more glad I bought my KB block when I did. Hopefully I never need another one.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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For many years, everything was in one place, 3rd floor of the Centerline complex right next to my office there was a semi-secret print room.
Unfortunately what was left of the whole group was .....relocated (being kind) around 2009. I feel alot of those prints may have ended up at CTC but also alot probably hit the shredder. A formerly highly productive Mgt team was no longer on the job,and there were many negative actions during this time that I can't post about.
I don't think documents were probably shredded because of anyone's desire to destroy history, but much more Fiat/ P!3+ro G's philosophy of making suppliers do everything.
I'd write a book about my experience, but I feel either folks wouldn't read it, or if they did I'd end up in court over it.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Makes me all the more glad I bought my KB block when I did. Hopefully I never need another one. You and I both. Even though I’ve only put 30 passes on it over the last 10 years. I’m having to much fun playing with these old school small blocks. One of these days I’ll use it again.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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As of two weeks ago MP was looking for the prints for the Gen II Hemi stuff - block and heads.
If they find them I want a copy. A buddy of mine wants to make a block. I know. It's a bad idea. I told him we are too old for this. He wants to try it anyway.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Makes me all the more glad I bought my KB block when I did. Hopefully I never need another one. You and I both. Even though I’ve only put 30 passes on it over the last 10 years. I’m having to much fun playing with these old school small blocks. One of these days I’ll use it again. There are no more good small block blocks either, are there?
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Makes me all the more glad I bought my KB block when I did. Hopefully I never need another one. You and I both. Even though I’ve only put 30 passes on it over the last 10 years. I’m having to much fun playing with these old school small blocks. One of these days I’ll use it again. There are no more good small block blocks either, are there? A stock small block will easily handle 9’s in anything under 3200 pounds. How fast do most of our members want to go. I see R3 and X blocks advertised every week for those wanting to go faster
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Management: "Let's have the legal department read every service bulletin, spec sheet, request for quote, memo, policy change, etc. Then trash the ones with sensitive content that might hurt us in future litigation". Personnel: "We estimate that to be $ 65,972 at their billing rate". Management: "Let's save money, and just throw it all into the shredder. If they can't find it, they can't hurt us". It's what Big Tobacco didn't do, but should have.
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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I would guess the latest versions of drawings were all digital anyway - the historical stuff would have been a shame to loose if just not from the historical perspective
I also could believe that copies of those last (maybe not current) set of files made their way in to interested parties hands for undefined purpose
Being the market is so small for the Gen2 Hemi - I am guessing it will be awhile before we see anything - especially with the corporate focus on the Gen3 stuff Is it small? Smaller than 409 Chev or 455 Pontiac? 427 FE Ford? All of those platforms apparently can be built from scratch with aftermarket parts available for immediate delivery. Kevin
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Re: Foundry news, the more I learn, the worse things seem.
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Is it small? Smaller than 409 Chev or 455 Pontiac? 427 FE Ford? All of those platforms apparently can be built from scratch with aftermarket parts available for immediate delivery.
Kevin
I'm no expert, but I'd say those examples were produced in much smaller quantities than a Chrysler 400 or 440. A couple of weeks ago I picked up a '78 B200 Sportsman Royal w/440 for free. There is an ad for a free Dodge motorhome not far from here that I won't deal with buy might be a 440. And I already have at least 5 440's, not including the one in the Charger. The 426 hemi has to compete with the 440 since they almost interchange and were used in the same applications. Wedges are a lot cheaper, that's the only reason they exist.
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