Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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07/31/19 08:08 PM
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I build lots of rears in my little one man shop. Parts are expensive so you only want to do this once. Getting used parts is a crap shoot. Building a Dana from a truck can be done but it is time consuming and can be done wrong. I’ve got a Dana in the shop right now that was not set up properly but it was still working. I would hate to have bought it as a good unit then opened it up to have to rebuild it. I don’t like spending money twice. They are one tough rear end, though. I’ve had plenty of 8 3/4 that have not faired that well even with street use. The rear end you need is for a 71 up b body and is a little more difficult to find in any form but an oem Dana is kinda rare. But not in high demand like an ebody so they don’t bring the ebody price tag with it. HOWEVER, I just happen to have something that might interest you. It’s an original 72 b body Dana 60 that has not been modified. As a matter of fact, it has been completely restored. I got it in parts deal so I don’t have the big dollars in it that the original purchaser did. It has everything new, axles brakes, sure grip, 3.54 gears and even powder coated. It was built by DoctorDiff. It is a first class unit and ready to bolt in. If you are interested, PM me and we can talk.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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07/31/19 09:12 PM
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I can't tell you what better suits your car, but I can share what it cost me to build a Dana.
Got one off of Craigslist that was pulled from an 83 F250. All in it was about $2600 with all new parts except the ring and pinion and included disc brakes.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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07/31/19 09:35 PM
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I've shucked 8 3/4 ring and pinions with a 383 4spd. maybe an 8 3/4 will hold up; maybe not. a lot of factors to consider. if you do an 8 3/4 and rip it the initial cost and repairs will be more than the initial cost of a dana. Same here, I've toasted quite a few 8 3/4 rears, even behind a few 340/4spds's..... DANA 60, end of story THIS ^^^^^^^^ Build a Dana and you're done. Building a dana from a junkyard truck rear can be done cheap. Especially if you get one w/ the good track-lock diff. It'll have either 3.54 or 4.10s gears in it already most likely. The one I put in my dad's road runner came from under an old dodge motorhome/camper van of some sort. Had the good track lock diff and 3.54s w/ a 1350 yoke surprisingly. All we did was narrow it, weld on pass. car ends and perches, and get some 35 spline axles from Dr. Diff. As well as his track-lock rebuild kit w/ the 35 spline side gears. Backbraces and billet caps for an 8.75 are "feel good" parts. May make you feel better, but do nothing to keep it from shredding the ring and pinion. Almost identical to my experience. Cut down Dana 60 from a truck, welded on car ends and used a spool and Dr. Diff axles. Under $1k total and ran identical to what the 8 3/4 did the week prior. I run 3.54's.
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11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.
9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
[Re: jcc]
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08/01/19 07:20 AM
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Backbraces and billet caps for an 8.75 are "feel good" parts. May make you feel better, but do nothing to keep it from shredding the ring and pinion.
Except the end result of a failed cap is, a "shredded ring and pinion". The gear fails first, resulting in the broken cap. The pinion deflects.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/01/19 07:44 AM
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Backbraces and billet caps for an 8.75 are "feel good" parts. May make you feel better, but do nothing to keep it from shredding the ring and pinion.
Except the end result of a failed cap is, a "shredded ring and pinion". The gear fails first, resulting in the broken cap. The pinion deflects. Always? If so, That means an upgraded Cap mod is essentially worthless? Wonder if the OEM cap flexes at all, facilitating less then ideal R&P teeth loading, leading to their failure.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/01/19 08:38 AM
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If somebody gives you an 8-3/4 for free, go with it. If you are going to have to spend money, it's a Mopar, it looks better with a Dana under it.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/01/19 12:16 PM
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for me personally it would come down to gear choices. And theres not much for the Dana in something street / hiway friendly But with an OD trans and a set of 3.54';s may not be bad for longer drives The 3.55s in the 8.25 now are a bit too long. They were great with a 42RE I had in the car earlier but with the Tremec 70 mph and it’s only turning 1800 rpm. With the small block I have to wind it up to about 2000 rpm to leave from a stop light and not have to wait for the engine to take forever to catch up in order to shift to second. If that makes any sense. I had a Tremec six speed with 4.10s in another car that was great. That’s why I think 3.91s would be a good gear with this five speed. Can 3.91s be found for a Dana? I couldn't get 3.91s for my S60 from Strange about 2 years ago. Talking with Strange and Dr. Diff, 3.91s are not available from most (or all?) gear manufacturers for the Dana 60 / S60. I heard that some 3.91s out there are not cut correctly and will at the very least exhibit excessive noise. I wanted to upgrade from a 3.73 8-3/4 in my e-body to a Dana and ended up settling for the 3.73s because I thought the 4.10s would be too steep. I rest well at night knowing the S60 can take anything I throw at it drag racing with a big block 4-speed.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/01/19 06:53 PM
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what is the car being used for? If you aren't frag racing dropping the hammer at 6k the 8.75 will be fine. If it makes you feel safer back brace it. Looks like a road racing car, a dana adds weight. My old 440-6 Charger went 11.20's @ 121+ had a 8.75 and 3.91's no issues at all. That was much more than 450...not too mention the added torque of a 440. Well it’s a car that is a “jack of all trades and a master of none”. It has a full interior and tips the scale at 3900 lbs. Once a year on the strip and once on an auto cross. Never slicks. Has to be suited for out of state road trips. It is not shown at car shows but frequents regional cruise ins. It sometimes gets hammered pretty good on the streets when the coast is clear. It needs to gain the respect of serious car people whether at Mopar events, the Hot Rod Power Tour or Good Guys. The hp and tq of the current small block will be increased to the goal of 450 for each power measurement hopefully after the rear end improvement. I am slow about making improvements since it is just a hobby but I will spend a little more dough to make the improvement the right one and not cheap out. 8.75 will be fine. Better yet save some money and get a Furd 9"
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/04/19 03:38 PM
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I was given this today. If I could get a housing for $100 would it be a good build to spend the money on good content and run it on the street? Sure grip, 3.91 and disc brake conversion.
‘72 Charger, 5.9 Magnum, Tremec 5 spd., Pro-Touring ‘14 Big Horn, Quad Cab, 4x4, 1500
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/06/19 01:06 PM
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[quote=fourgearsavoy]Starting with a clean sheet of paper I would go with a 9" with NO FORD PARTS at all. Get a strong nodular center section from Strange and a Daytona pinion support and you will be fine with 35 spline axles and 4 pinion clutch style differential unit. This is what the guys running in the 3's run. Next time at a big meet, look and see if I made that up. Actually, you won't see a Dana in those pits, anywhere. I went that way a long time ago and I am still glad I did. Well, something else to ponder.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/07/19 09:03 AM
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This is what the guys running in the 3's run. Next time at a big meet, look and see if I made that up. Actually, you won't see a Dana in those pits, anywhere.
I went that way a long time ago and I am still glad I did. Well, something else to ponder. I run a Dana but if I was in a class where frequent gear changes were required I would certainly run something different.
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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08/17/19 07:24 PM
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Dude how nice is that! There are several nice upgrades within the camera lens. Is all that necessary or did you do it just because you wanted too?
‘72 Charger, 5.9 Magnum, Tremec 5 spd., Pro-Touring ‘14 Big Horn, Quad Cab, 4x4, 1500
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Re: 8 3/4 vs. Dana 60
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09/04/19 10:38 AM
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Dude how nice is that! There are several nice upgrades within the camera lens. Is all that necessary or did you do it just because you wanted too? Thank you. It's probably not necessary. I mini tubbed and did a spring relocation. Decided on a fuel cell and cut the trunk out and formed a box to hold the cell. Disc brakes are not needed but I wanted them. I made the hard lines, and used off the shelf DOT Russell soft lines going to the calipers. The suspension is Bill's RMS Street Linx, an older setup I bought 10 years ago when I started working on the car. I didn't like the bolt on brackets on the axle, so I ordered a weld on version from him, just to clean it up. When I put a Dana under my other car, (68 Fastback) I'm gonna stick with leaf springs. Seems to make things less complicated. LOL
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