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Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: Skeptic] #2651156
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I just wanted to add that a '62 Dart with a Max Wedge clone sounds like a blast, make sure the budget includes plenty for rear tires. drive

Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: Skeptic] #2651162
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Originally Posted by Skeptic
Originally Posted by BSB67
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If I had a 528 cam sitting on the shelf, I’d probably use it in something like that.

But at the nearly $400 they go for now........ there’s a lot of options that are better


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Not much, according to a lot of testing.
http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/550hp.html
http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/bb/Lobe.html


It’s true, the 528 made the best power....... of the cams that were tested.

I suspect with that data on hand....... one could probably come up with something that was incrementally better.
However....... it’s unlikely there’s going to be any magic unleashed in that type of combo(moderate build with ex manifolds)with a cam swap...... unless what you’re replacing is just all wrong.


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Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: parksr5] #2651164
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Originally Posted by parksr5
Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
If I had a 528 cam sitting on the shelf, I’d probably use it in something like that.

But at the nearly $400 they go for now........ there’s a lot of options.


Dwayne, theoretically, couldn't you just essentially order a "custom" grind through your cam supplier with the 528 specs for cheaper than what the MP cam cost?


A custom flat tappet cam and a set of lifters from most “name brand” cam grinders is going to be in the same price range as the 528 cam & lifter kit.


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Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: Skeptic] #2651351
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Originally Posted by Skeptic
The engines we are talking about were engineered 60 years ago, any improvements will be incremental, not revolutionary. In the context of the OP, i.e. street cruiser, exhaust manifolds, high street CR - not dedicated race engine. Throwing a lot of dyno time and more expensive components-i.e. roller cams, beehive springs, ect- there could be improvements here and there, but in the end it's a 1950s era engine. twocents


Wow. I think you've gone off track.

If you want to believe that the 528 cam is the best cam for manifolds, that's your prerogative. Certainly it might be reasonable to think that a guy that comes on the race forum asking about a cam is looking for something that is better than just okay for a cruiser.

I do wonder why all those cam companies continue to come up with more grinds when the pinnacle of cam design for our motors was reached in the 1970s.

Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: BSB67] #2651761
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Originally Posted by BSB67
Originally Posted by Skeptic
The engines we are talking about were engineered 60 years ago, any improvements will be incremental, not revolutionary. In the context of the OP, i.e. street cruiser, exhaust manifolds, high street CR - not dedicated race engine. Throwing a lot of dyno time and more expensive components-i.e. roller cams, beehive springs, ect- there could be improvements here and there, but in the end it's a 1950s era engine. twocents


Wow. I think you've gone off track. I have NO idea what you are trying to imply there, I'm talking about trying to a better cam within the OP needs. There's not any magic involved. There's nothing exotic about roller cams or beehive springs and there are real world benefits to using them. These engines are antiques, not my opinion that's a fact. That doesn't mean they can't make plenty of power.

If you want to believe that the 528 cam is the best cam for manifolds, that's your prerogative. I never said that at all, nor implied it, I pointed out a pair of real world tests done with the assistance of engineers at the time. If you re-read them you'll see that. Personally from what I saw, the small Racer Brown solid looks like to be the best for a street car. Certainly it might be reasonable to think that a guy that comes on the race forum asking about a cam is looking for something that is better than just okay for a cruiser.

I do wonder why all those cam companies continue to come up with more grinds when the pinnacle of cam design for our motors was reached in the 1970s.There's this thing called marketing, Caveat Emptor

Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: Skeptic] #2653859
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I have gone back and read your posts

I said that there are better cams than the MP 528 for manifolds

You said: "Not much according to a lot of testing"

Now you say you said no such thing

So, which is it?

Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: BSB67] #2653872
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I think there was some sarcasm in there but it can be hard to hear through a keyboard.

For sure there are a lot of good points here but for a street rig why not throw a thicker head gasket on there so you don’t have to bleed off so much compression under a high powerband? Like something in the low .5xx and 230-50 duration @ .050?

Lotta smartener folks than me on here though and I know the oldschool appeal of the mopars was that they rev higher than ford & chevy... anyway my advice is almost worth what you paid for it

Re: Another “what cam” thread... [Re: radar] #2653890
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One thing hat needs to be remember is the cam lobes for Mopar with the larger lifter diameter react different to the same lobes design for smaller diameter lifters like the Ford and GM use, we be better boogie grin


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