Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
[Re: stumpy]
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Only time I ever put type F in a 727 was years ago. I had a push button 727 in my 64 300. Decided to do a band adjustment and fluid and filter change. Reading the DC books lead me to think putting in type F might be an improvement. Drained out the whatever was in it, did my band adjustments put in a new filter, filled it up with type F. Two days later it's slipping and all the friction material came off the clutches.
Coincidence?
I don't think so and the cost of even a DIY rebuild is more than I care to spend to retest the type F experiment. Wasn't the fault of the fluid.Type F has been a mainstay in the older Mopars since the 60s. Bought a 65 Chrysler for a winter beater sometime in the early 70's. Tranny slipped a little. Replaced the filter and put type F in it. Drove it all winter and sold it come spring. Never slipped a bit with the type F.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
[Re: stumpy]
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05/02/19 02:59 PM
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Only time I ever put type F in a 727 was years ago. I had a push button 727 in my 64 300. Decided to do a band adjustment and fluid and filter change. Reading the DC books lead me to think putting in type F might be an improvement. Drained out the whatever was in it, did my band adjustments put in a new filter, filled it up with type F. Two days later it's slipping and all the friction material came off the clutches.
Coincidence?
I don't think so and the cost of even a DIY rebuild is more than I care to spend to retest the type F experiment. Wasn't the fault of the fluid.Type F has been a mainstay in the older Mopars since the 60s. People keep saying that but it still happened. Anyone willing to put up the cost of a rebuild for the OP if he goes the type F route and the trans fails? I'm not.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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05/02/19 03:08 PM
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I normally use Type F in all my 727 and 904 applications.
I have however used TSC universal hydraulic fluid in one of my 727's. It was a beater car and my trans cooler line broke and its all I had on hand. This was a transmission that had been, and was continually beat on. The universal fluid worked perfect for the next 5 years. I then sold the car to a gentleman that pulled the motor and trans and dropped it into his 3/4 ton work van, and he drove it without incident for the next 6 years before he sold it. That van might still be going strong.
I dont think the 727 is concerned about using a specific fluid.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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Only time I ever put type F in a 727 was years ago. I had a push button 727 in my 64 300. Decided to do a band adjustment and fluid and filter change. Reading the DC books lead me to think putting in type F might be an improvement. Drained out the whatever was in it, did my band adjustments put in a new filter, filled it up with type F. Two days later it's slipping and all the friction material came off the clutches.
Coincidence?
I don't think so and the cost of even a DIY rebuild is more than I care to spend to retest the type F experiment. Wasn't the fault of the fluid.Type F has been a mainstay in the older Mopars since the 60s. People keep saying that but it still happened. Anyone willing to put up the cost of a rebuild for the OP if he goes the type F route and the trans fails? People keep saying that because it's true. I'm not.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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05/02/19 03:33 PM
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Only time I ever put type F in a 727 was years ago. I had a push button 727 in my 64 300. Decided to do a band adjustment and fluid and filter change. Reading the DC books lead me to think putting in type F might be an improvement. Drained out the whatever was in it, did my band adjustments put in a new filter, filled it up with type F. Two days later it's slipping and all the friction material came off the clutches.
Coincidence?
I don't think so and the cost of even a DIY rebuild is more than I care to spend to retest the type F experiment. Wasn't the fault of the fluid.Type F has been a mainstay in the older Mopars since the 60s. People keep saying that but it still happened. Anyone willing to put up the cost of a rebuild for the OP if he goes the type F route and the trans fails? I'm not. People keep saying that because it's true. I have built a couple of hundred transmissions in my time. So it's not like I'm guessing at this.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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05/03/19 10:34 AM
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Once again, this thread illustrates the value or not of anecdotal experiences.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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Once again, this thread illustrates the value or not of anecdotal experiences. Engine oil Blondes , Brunettes or Red Heads
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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Walmart house brand Dex/Merc HERE was my choice of fluid when I still had older stuff that used it.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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Once again, this thread illustrates the value or not of anecdotal experiences. And it's like the proverbial train wreck, you can't help but look. Tim
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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05/04/19 10:11 AM
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Ok, it's a dog-pile so I'll jump in. I've always believed you shouldn't mix transmission fluids. I believe that a blend of type F + at least the older Dextron would cause foaming.
Side note - Someone could run [u][/u]completely type F if you drained the converter and everything + type F has a little higher friction to help older transmission shift better & drag cars to shift harder + I think B&M's "Quick Shift" stuff is type F with blue dye.
To the original poster, a very reputable transmission shop owners showed me a technical bulletin from Shell Oil. It said that if you hadn't changed your transmission fluid in a long, long time, you should only replace the pan's fluid (maybe half the fluid?) + filter and don't flush the system or do a complete fluid change.
Fluid changes over time and it's solubility changes. Waxes come out of the fluid and start to collect in the transmission which isn't much of a problem with the old fluid in there, but if you put 100% new fluid in the transmission, all these waxes will really come out of solution and start to gum up the small passages inside the transmission. Keeping a good portion of the old fluid in the transmission helps keep these waxes dissolved in the transmission fluid where they do no harm.
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Re: Tranny fluid dilemma.
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All ATF's have foam inhibitors so I ain't buying the foaming from mixing.
The fluid change danger in high-mile transmissions is an ongoing debate and, again, anecdotal experience varies. Some believe that a fresh additive package will dislodge varnish buildup and cause problems while some believe that the abrasive nature of aged fluid prevents clutch/band slippage and fresh fluid, being slipperier, will cause slippage.
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