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Re: PB, 68 Charger [Re: fast68plymouth] #2647816
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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
If you did the test right....... then just under 22gph is what I get for 1qt in 41 seconds.

I assume you tapped into the system from the line that feeds the carb, installed a valve on the end of the line, turn on the pump and close down the valve to achieve 6psi system pressure.
Then time the flow.

I would try it at 5, 4, 3 psi as well, just to see how low the system pressure would have to be to flow the fuel you need (50-55gph).

My experience has been that when flowing the entire system, while maintaining the required system pressure....... you need something like a 140gph pump....... for your power level(600-650hp).

I have seen many systems not pass this test when fuel pumps that are marginally suitable are used.

The question now is, is it the pump...... or a restriction in the line/system?

Did you see what the free flow was?

I know of one instance where the free low was more than adequate, but when tested at 6si, there was barely a dribble coming through(about 6mins to fill a gallon can).


Just went & got a better shut off ball valve, yes on test location,
Free flow 60gph
6 psi -----30gph
3 psi------45gph
2 psi------50gph
free flowing at fuel filter,taking the regulator out of the system
------------72gph


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You just learned a lesson in fuel pump flow ratings, and how the rest of the system affects what’s actually available to the carb after all those fittings, the line, the regulator, etc.

Looks like you’re system pressure would have been just under 2psi at wot/full power.
Most carbs don’t work great like that.

Time for a bigger pump.
Get something that’s absolutely big enough.

Is what you have now mounted in the tank?


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
You just learned a lesson in fuel pump flow ratings, and how the rest of the system affects what’s actually available to the carb after all those fittings, the line, the regulator, etc.

Time for a bigger pump.
Get something that’s absolutely big enough.

Is what you have mounted in the tank now?


Yes it is inside the tank, Thank you for the help, just like everything else on this car if I did'nt have to redo something at least 2 times I'd fall over dead LOL


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Looks like the 8 series pump or the 9 is what I need
http://www.tanksinc.com/pdf/8_Series_Pump_Flow_Chart.pdf

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I wonder if your pick up screen/filter is plugged.

Your findings are quite a bit lower than the spec........ although I’m a big believer in “it is what it is”.

Based on what your current pump tested at....... you need one that pumps a bit over twice as much(as that particular one).

Your 72gph free flow works out to 272lph.


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At this point ANYTHING is possible, will have to save up some money & redo Pump, go -8 lines, & go EFI.


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Thank you VERY much Dwayne !!!! you are AWESOME !!!!!


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Question for you.......

I assume you’re using a return style regulator?

Is that in the back or up in the engine bay?

When you’re doing the pressure/flow test....... was fuel still returning to the tank?

If so, perhaps a different regulator might improve the situation.


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
Question for you.......

I assume you’re using a return style regulator?

Is that in the back or up in the engine bay?

When you’re doing the pressure/flow test....... was fuel still returning to the tank?

If so, perhaps a different regulator might improve the situation.


The regulator is up by the carb, yes the fuel was returning, simulating as running pressure.
I am going check the regulator out.


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My guess is the regulator can’t keep the pressure low enough (6psi), while maintaining a high flow rate to the carb, without still returning fuel to the tank....... fuel that really should be going to the carb.

I’d plug the return to the tank and redo the timed test with the valve and see how much extra flow you get from that.
BTW, what regulator are you using?

Your pump is supposed to be capable of 60-80psi right?

If plugging the return results in a significant increase in flow into the can while maintaining 6psi(you “should” have to open the ball valve farther to get the 6psi system pressure), then I would try running two regulators.

I’d have the first stage regulator(the return regulator) set to about 25-30psi, then run the outlet of that one into a dead head unit that can handle the 25-30psi inlet pressure, and set it to 6psi.
The MagnaFuel regulators are designed to operate at 25-30psi inlet pressure.

Basically, you want it so the return regulator shuts off the fuel going back to the tank when the demand is high, and I think you’ll have a better chance of accomplishing that if that part of the system remains fairly high pressure.

If plugging the return doesn’t result in a lot more flow into the can........ then it’s on to a new pump.

If the pump will keep up, you would basically be duplicating this(only it would have higher system pressure in the first stage than the one in the link).

https://www.aeromotiveinc.com/product/efi-2-carb-dual-fuel-pressure-regulator/


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
My guess is the regulator can’t keep the pressure low enough (6psi), while maintaining a high flow rate to the carb, without still returning fuel to the tank....... fuel that really should be going to the carb.

I’d plug the return to the tank and redo the timed test with the valve and see how much extra flow you get from that.
BTW, what regulator are you using?

Your pump is supposed to be capable of 60-80psi right?

If plugging the return results in a significant increase in flow into the can while maintaining 6psi(you “should” have to open the ball valve farther to get the 6psi system pressure), then I would try running two regulators.

I’d have the first stage regulator(the return regulator) set to about 25-30psi, then run the outlet of that one into a dead head unit that can handle the 25-30psi inlet pressure, and set it to 6psi.
The MagnaFuel regulators are designed to operate at 25-30psi inlet pressure.

Basically, you want it so the return regulator shuts off the fuel going back to the tank when the demand is high, and I think you’ll have a better chance of accomplishing that if that part of the system remains fairly high pressure.

If plugging the return doesn’t result in a lot more flow into the can........ then it’s on to a new pump.

If the pump will keep up, you would basically be duplicating this(only it would have higher system pressure in the first stage than the one in the link).

https://www.aeromotiveinc.com/product/efi-2-carb-dual-fuel-pressure-regulator/


Well, I should get the dumb a$$ award for the month, 3 different things pilled up causing this volume problem, everything you said Dwayne is applicable to my problem,
1st, the Quick Fuel reg that I have was the same one I used when I had a mechanical fuel pump made for use as a return system, it has a large jet inside that keeps a small amount of fuel returning no matter what the pressure is set to,Result Fail.
2nd, the pressure adjuster came loose, even though it showed 6 psi it was bypassing a large part of the fuel, I keep all the fuel system heat wrapped because I drive this car on the street & things get hot under the hood regulator included & could not see that this had happened.
3rd the Tank vent that I have is .145ish diameter, at full pump flow the tank was going into a vacuum.
4th the fuel filter was slightly restricted .
So, I plugged the jet in the regulator, adjusted the pressure to 7psi, made the tank vent larger & replace the fuel filter.
I did all these things one at a time & tested the flow each time, they all added up to the results.
@ 3psi I have 82 gph at the carb, I had 45 when all this started.
when I go EFI I will need to get a better pump, but this should get me by for now with a carb.

Moparts is awesome, I REALLY appreciate you taking your time to help me Dwayne. I'm gonna have to put you on my Christmas card mailing list smile

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So what do you get for flow now with the ball valve adjusted to maintain 6psi?

In any case, what you’ve done should show up on the time slip..... and you should find the car pulls in high gear better than it ever did.

Hopefully the weather will be nice the next time the track nearer to you has some racing.


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Originally Posted by fast68plymouth
So what do you get for flow now with the ball valve adjusted to maintain 6psi?

In any case, what you’ve done should show up on the time slip..... and you should find the car pulls in high gear better than it ever did.

Hopefully the weather will be nice the next time the track nearer to you has some racing.

@ 6 psi it is @ 60 GPH, it is still borderline, but that is also @ 12 volts, 13.5 running volts should help some.


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That’s a huge improvement....... I’m sure you’ll be able to tell the difference from the drivers seat.

Bring on the 10’s!! punkrocka


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Thanks again Dwayne !!!! smile


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Congrats on the new best!!! Now get it fixed and run a 10!


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