Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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Not to draw away from original poster's intentions, but... what I'd like to see is comparisons between Eddy vs Trick Flow. I'm building a 410 with CR about 9.5-10 (Hughes kit, engine partially built)... camshaft (flat hyd) still to be determined ...wanting wide range rpms especially strong mid-range and ability to run strong higher rpms (I do pylon AX, HSAX and road course lapping sessions).
My purchase is on-hold until ~mid-summer or end of this summer, maybe into early 2020... maybe the EDDYs are simply established and proven. The Trick Flow heads might be too new to tell but based on the little bit that I know now I'd say the engine you are describing would be better off with ported Edelbrock heads. If you're willing to go with a solid flat tappet cam and rev the engine up past 6000 rpm then maybe the Trick Flow heads would be a better deal. The porting on the Trick Flow heads is super nice but the extra volume in the runner might kill off too much torque for what you want to do.
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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Will be available to buy in a couple of weeks They have been produced and are sitting around assembled at Trick flow They plan to dyno a set yet this month on a 408 test mule. Didnt think to ask Howard how the 408 was setup Heads should be from 1900-22/2300 bucks fully assembled The top range will have quality solid roller springs and ti retainers installed. Intake is going to lag behind by a little bit Did Trick Flow ever dyno that 408? I haven't seen any published numbers from Trick Flow yet.
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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06/08/19 06:58 AM
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Will be available to buy in a couple of weeks They have been produced and are sitting around assembled at Trick flow They plan to dyno a set yet this month on a 408 test mule. Didnt think to ask Howard how the 408 was setup Heads should be from 1900-22/2300 bucks fully assembled The top range will have quality solid roller springs and ti retainers installed. Intake is going to lag behind by a little bit Did Trick Flow ever dyno that 408? I haven't seen any published numbers from Trick Flow yet. Not that i have heard
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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06/12/19 01:41 PM
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Thanks for the info.
Would you happen to have used a 300cfm test plate on that bench at some point?
As I’m sure you’re well aware...... different benches often = different numbers.
Did you test the exhaust?
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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Exhaust on un-modified chamber was avg 5cfm less than TF flow chart. On modified chamber it ran 5-8 cfm more than advetised, as there is .06 more room on the shrouded side. Exh. port flows so good I will not change it at all. Exh. was 250cfm at .700". My old 587 cast iron heads couldn't muster 190 cfm, with a pipe and car ran 9.60s so I see no need to do anything to exh, except to put in a 1.60 8mm stem valve over the 1.57--11/32 valve supplied to save a little weight.. An interesting note, the TF ford 2.08 x 8mm intake valve weighs 109.5 grams, which is what I bought to put in the TF mopar head vs the as shipped 2.02 valve that weighs 123 grams. Bigger and lighter. Sure seems like a win--win scenario. Why would you make the exhaust valve bigger?
Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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When you flowed the ex did you use the same size flow tube TF did?
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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06/13/19 11:53 AM
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So it looks like OOTB the TF small block head flows very similar numbers to what a BIG BLOCK Edelbrock or even a mildly cleaned-up W2 flowed when they were first introduced. Pretty impressive IMO for a true bolt-on head even if it takes a little bit of clean-up and an inexpensive 2.055" valve ( I presume they are 11/32 stem +~.100 SBC valves) to get a true 300CFM.
If your .400 lift numbers are anything close to 260-265 on a wedge motor it's going to be a really good broad torque street head, the valve stays open at .400 or above for a lot more useable duration than it does at .500 or .550.
Sometimes I think it would be good if Mopar guys would be thankful and realize just how far the aftermarket has come for a market that is probably 1/5th the size of the total SBC/BBC market.
Look like just the right size for any 390+cube Small block, probably a better overall value than a Victor in that to really wring all the power out of that head you're typically going to overstress a stock 59 degree block, not to mention all of the piston/valvetrain/header flange mods and expenses required to get there.
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Re: Trick Flow sb heads
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I’ll be interested in hearing what your car does with those heads.
I think your car works well enough so it’ll be a good test for them.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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