Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? I thread them and pull them out with a slide hammer when the engine is together. If you do, make damn sure you thread the whole bushing and screw the slide hammer to the bottom of the bushing.,otherwise you just pull the top of it off. And then I say a few cuss words, throw the tool, take a break and start over. That's what works best for me. YMMV
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? Is the engine installed in the car? I just took off the oil pump. Also had a friend who ran a bronze gear and lost all the teeth after a year of street driving put in a melonized gear. No problems since.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I’d put a few hundred miles on it, then look at the gear again.
The teeth on the cam gear don’t have the nice chamfer on them like cams of days gone by, but at least they don’t have a sharp edge. On another thread you mentioned the older Crane roller I picked up recently came from the era when they were a little nicer to intermediate shaft gears. At the time, it went in one ear and out the other. I just checked my picture, and I get it now. Never gave the cam gear a second thought before. Thanks. From what I can see in the pics, Brad's gear doesn't look horribly bad.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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I posted the first set of pics to highlight the wear/contact areas in direct light.
These next ones were taken without flash (ambient florescent light), FWIW. I'll bet money that the gear you have is NOT a Milidon or one of the early Mopar brand that had the roll pins installed in them instead of the solid retaining pin yours has The one I'm having trouble with is a early Mopar brand and it has the bright colored roll pin with the ends mashed, the two Milidons I'm using have a black coated colored roll pin in them
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? From the factory service manual:
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I bought the tool to remove and reinstall the bushing. One thing most people overlook is to fill the bushing opening with redline synthetic gear oil and squeeze it between your finger and thumb until it oozes out through the pours of the sintered brass. Then press it in and burnish it with the tool.
Another idea is to use the treated steel gear on a new cam. If you can't do that, have the gear cryogenically treated .and coat it with synthetic disc brake grease.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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That bushing tool makes me smile every time I have used it.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
[Re: BradH]
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. Dig around a bit Brad because I was looking about a year ago for a friend and I found them for about a hundred bucks.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Last edited by Cab_Burge; 04/03/19 11:50 AM.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I changed mine on my small block without pulling the pan. I have a harbor freight bearing puller kit and it worked perfect. My Dad has the install tool so I was able to use that.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... scope Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. $100 from Hughes
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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$99.00 at Jegs , just over 100 from Summit . Proform brand tool 66488
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I should have been more clear and said it was looking like about $200 (give or take) for both tools combined. The HF puller approach looks like a good idea. I found a video on YouTube last night showing someone pulling a bushing w/ a small OTC-brand puller, so I kinda had that idea in mind already. Nice to see that something I can buy 10 minutes from my house will work. I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster.
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