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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Pool Fixer] #26418 12/14/06 02:05 PM 12/14/06 02:05 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I have stayed at a HIE before, but not last night.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26419 12/14/06 02:46 PM 12/14/06 02:46 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: Exit1965, Are you sure that brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing"? I'm not sure brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing". I'm certain brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing".

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26420 12/14/06 04:23 PM 12/14/06 04:23 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	I am certainly not an expert on paint, but I am about to play one on the internet:) The representative's statement makes only half-sense to me. While there may be parts of the paint formulation that are clear and rise to the top of the Brightside paint when it dries, gloss as I know it is more than a layer of clear paint (sort of an internal clear coat if you will). Gloss to me is how efficiently AND how uniformly a surface reflects the light that shines on it. A "clear" surface can be perfectly efficient in the sense that it allows the layer below it to reflect back all the light that shines on it, but if it has minor imperfections, it will not relect the light back in parallel rays. We will perceive such a surface as wavy or even dull, if the surface is uneven enough. I believe that is what we are seeing with the orange peel in the raw coats of paint - yeah, they are shiny (glossy), but they dont look like mirrors because a roller and the self-leveling process cannot put down a perfectly flat surface. When we wet sand and then polish the surface, we are making it more uniform (more parallel) and giving the paint a chance to reflect the light in more parallel waves. Due to the minor scratches that even the finest polish leaves, the surface may not be as "shiny" as before, but it sure looks better because its reflecting most of the light, in a more uniform manner. In other words, polishing puts in many more minor imperfections than were there, but removes the major ones. Our eyes perceive this as a nicer looking surface because we can see ourselves in it without much distortion, as in the above photo. Whew! I hope that makes sense. Last edited by smyrna5; 12/14/06 04:56 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26421 12/14/06 04:41 PM 12/14/06 04:41 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Here's the 3rd coat after thinning the paint a bunch. I could spray this stuff I'm sure. I'll wet sand before the next coat.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69DartGT] #26422 12/14/06 04:50 PM 12/14/06 04:50 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	69DartGT - is that paint as bright as it appears on my computer moniter? It almost looks like a cross between orange and red. I have been following this thread with interest and want to paint my 1988 Volvo, which is a maroon sort of color. Looking at the color chips in the hard copy of the color chart I got at the boat store, it sometimes looks to me like it almost matches, but your truck is much brighter looking.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26423 12/14/06 05:02 PM 12/14/06 05:02 PM
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Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,379 Rancho Cordova, CA	Smyrna- watch out for that color card. Back many pages ago, when I first bought my brightside, I relayed the fact that (at least with the whites I was looking at), that particular color card-- if you have the one inside the nice booklet on painting boats-- was not very accurate. The accurate color card I saw was laminated, at the boat store. It was a legal size sheet of colors. But its colors (again with the whites) were much closer to reality.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26424 12/14/06 05:03 PM 12/14/06 05:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,220 toronto canada 69chargeryeehaa OP pro stock
69chargeryeehaa OP pro stock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,220 toronto canada	Quote: Quote: Exit1965, Are you sure that brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing"? I'm not sure brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing". I'm certain brightside "has better gloss after wetsanding and polishing". WOW, nobody will believe you used a roller to apply that paint, damm, you got it down pat, awesome job. I wonder if you'll ever consider spraying a car again??

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26425 12/14/06 05:40 PM 12/14/06 05:40 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Quote: 69DartGT - is that paint as bright as it appears on my computer moniter? It almost looks like a cross between orange and red. I have been following this thread with interest and want to paint my 1988 Volvo, which is a maroon sort of color. Looking at the color chips in the hard copy of the color chart I got at the boat store, it sometimes looks to me like it almost matches, but your truck is much brighter looking. I noticed today the color leaned more torward orange then red but that may be because of the sun. The can top is red and the first coat was red, I think it leans a little to the orange depending on the sun angle. Last edited by 69DartGT; 12/15/06 12:46 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #26426 12/14/06 05:43 PM 12/14/06 05:43 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Quote: I wonder if you'll ever consider spraying a car again?? I know I never will. I have always wanted to paint a car, but never wanted to mess with all the mess of spraying one in my garage, not to mention spending a fortune on a compressor good enough to do a professional job. When I was a kid building plastic models almost 5 decades ago, I couldn't afford the fancy spray paints, so I used to paint them with a brush, then wet sand to get the brush strokes out. I would do that for as many coats as it took to get it decent looking. If I had only had some 1500 grit wet sand paper, and knew about polish then, I would have been the envy of my model building friends. I still can't believe that almost 50 years later, you have reminded us all of this age-old method for painting, charger.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26427 12/14/06 05:53 PM 12/14/06 05:53 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Any problems with doing this in the outdoors? Surely dust wont cause problems like with spraying? Im going to start mine soon as soon as I get my new body panels. As others have said can we see some more results pictures, has anyone considered making a website of this? Ive sprayed once before and I hated it, mess, preparation, fumes and crappy results.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26428 12/15/06 11:56 AM 12/15/06 11:56 AM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Question about HVLP spray guns: I understand you set the pressure on these guns depending on make/model to 40-60 psi that said do these guns then cut that down to around 10 psi and if so what kind of overspray do they generate? I'm thinking of using it to get in those hard to reach area's between the cab and the bed.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69DartGT] #26429 12/15/06 12:10 PM 12/15/06 12:10 PM
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69chargeryeehaa OP pro stock Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,220 toronto canada	Quote: Question about HVLP spray guns: I understand you set the pressure on these guns depending on make/model to 40-60 psi that said do these guns then cut that down to around 10 psi and if so what kind of overspray do they generate? I'm thinking of using it to get in those hard to reach area's between the cab and the bed. just use spray bombs, it's much eaiser. HVLP guns put out alot of overspray, and when you cut down the pressure they put out a crappy fan. it would be better if you use one of those "touchup" guns, often you can find them for $20 or so, they do alot better job for just small areas.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #26430 12/15/06 12:22 PM 12/15/06 12:22 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	thanks Martin that's what I wanted to hear I do have a touch up gun, I tried using the foam brush but the area is just to tight.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26431 12/15/06 12:45 PM 12/15/06 12:45 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Quote: 69DartGT - is that paint as bright as it appears on my computer moniter? It almost looks like a cross between orange and red. I have been following this thread with interest and want to paint my 1988 Volvo, which is a maroon sort of color. Looking at the color chips in the hard copy of the color chart I got at the boat store, it sometimes looks to me like it almost matches, but your truck is much brighter looking. This was taken this morning not much sun yet. Hope it helps but this paint is nowhere maroon.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69DartGT] #26432 12/15/06 02:41 PM 12/15/06 02:41 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Thanks Dart. I was hoping to avoid having to do a lot of coats with Rustoleum, and use Brightside instead. I may just pick up a can of Rustoleum Regal Red, which looks to be a close match. Either that, or change the color to one of the easily available Brightside colors and paint the door jambs, trunk and underhood stuff. Although they only imported less than 6,000 of my Volvo 780s into the country, they aren't worth much anyway, so I am not too worried about keeping its original color. By the way I am the webmeister for a site in Atlanta that sells mostly #1 and #2 grade classic muscle cars, including mopars. If you ever want to come and take a look we are at: Atlanta Muscle Car Site Or, if you need a few good pictures of a particular type muscle car, I probably still have it somewhere in my backup files. We have a full time paint and body man (retired) who mostly does buffing and polishing and general repairs,but I haven't told him I am dabbling in this heretical business of trying to paint cars with a roller.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26433 12/15/06 03:26 PM 12/15/06 03:26 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Gerry mine says Fire Red on the cans so its yet another shade of red. I do like the way it goes on though if you can find brightside in the right color that's what I'd use. Tom

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69DartGT] #26434 12/15/06 03:44 PM 12/15/06 03:44 PM
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toplescuda I Whine T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,890 poplar bluff mo.	how much is that sunburst yellow(quart or a gallon) where can i get some of it would like to test on daughters 73 sattelite road runner clone ralph 1970 barracuda convert. 1 of 59 1970 pro street A.A.R. clone (panther pink) 1971 charger 2015 hellcat challenger. Redline red 2014 quad cab 4x4 ram 8 speed hemi

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: toplescuda] #26435 12/15/06 04:17 PM 12/15/06 04:17 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Quote: how much is that sunburst yellow(quart or a gallon) where can i get some of it would like to test on daughters 73 sattelite road runner clone ralph Do you have a West Marine close by? Keep in mind when thinned probably a little paint goes a long way. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/sto...hallpartial/0/0 Last edited by 69DartGT; 12/15/06 04:19 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: toplescuda] #26436 12/15/06 05:27 PM 12/15/06 05:27 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	The Sunburst Yellow I showed is a Rustoleum color. About $9 a quart at Home Depot, and $30 a gallon almost anywhere. The full color card is here: RustOleum Gloss Colors Last edited by smyrna5; 12/15/06 05:30 PM.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ #26437 12/15/06 06:31 PM 12/15/06 06:31 PM
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69DartGT moparts member Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,405 Southern, Ca.	Quote: The Sunburst Yellow I showed is a Rustoleum color. About $9 a quart at Home Depot, and $30 a gallon almost anywhere. The full color card is here: RustOleum Gloss Colors If this works its Interlux Brightside color chart they do have a bright yellow. While Rustoleum is a lot cheaper then Brightside I felt the ease of coverage over road the cost differance. http://www.yachtpaint.com/USA/general/colorcard_topsides.asp Last edited by 69DartGT; 12/15/06 06:32 PM.

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