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Re: Brake Issues [Re: TJP] #2641963
04/06/19 01:09 PM
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sounds like the booster is bad


1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
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Re: Brake Issues [Re: CSK] #2642184
04/07/19 08:43 AM
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TJP- I doubled checked yesterday. I tested the vacuum at the booster (26"). Yesterday was the first day since I installed the vacuum pump that I could test the car in the driveway, not just the shop. The vacuum booster made a marginal difference. so I definitely still have a problem.

I went onto the getdiscbrakes web site to try and find some more info on the brake calipers. When you click on the link to the brakes a message pops up saying they currently are not stocking brake calipers for 68 Chargers at this time. Wonder if they knew they had a problem.
As far as buying a new booster I'll look into this one from Dr Diff. https://www.doctordiff.com/bendix-style-dual-diaphragm-booster.html
I'm also thinking I should buy a new proportioning valve. As I mentioned earlier the passages in the new one that Fine lines sent me were smaller than the one that was matched up with my manual drums. I'm now questioning everything that I got from this company.


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Re: Brake Issues [Re: NHCharger] #2642222
04/07/19 10:12 AM
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correct me if i'm wrong, as i'm looking at my 69 FSM. the drum booster is a single diaphragm, while the disc booster is a duel [tandem diaphragm the FSM calls it] unit.
if you are using a single diaphragm booster, it probably doesn't have enough beans to work with the disc setup.
the good doctors dual diaphragm looks like what you need.
beer

Re: Brake Issues [Re: NHCharger] #2642272
04/07/19 12:36 PM
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Single or dual diaphragm can get confusing if one does not know the size of the diaphragms. The size ( coupled with the vacuum) is what multiplies the force applied at the pedal. Dual diaphragms are typically used due to space constraints or when more pressure multiplication is needed..

I was just thinking, you can use one of your daily drivers to repeat the booster test assuming they have power brakes. As before, pump the pedal several times to empty any residual vacuum. Apply a steady firm pressure, start the car and the pedal should drop. it will give you a "feel" for what you should expect with the other system.

As far as the porp valve goes they are sometimes nothing more than a pressure differential valve that are mislabeled.

A proportioning valve will control front to rear pressures

A differential valve does not, is is only there to activate the dash light if the valve sees a drop in pressure on one side. it's other purpose is to split the front and sometimes rear lines.

Different hydraulic systems control pressures a multitude of ways, pedal ratios, boosters, MC bore diameters ( Some are stepped internally to provide different pressures to the front and rear), Piston diameters on calipers and wheel cylinders, (Again some wheel cylinders are stepped for the front and rear shoes on the same wheel as are some multi piston calipers, The surface area of the drum/rotor, the material they are made from, and finally Pad/shoe size and friction compound(s) used

Confused yet ??? panic Hopefully not, keep us posted beer

Re: Brake Issues-update. We have brakes [Re: TJP] #2654402
05/11/19 07:45 PM
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I bought a new Bendix booster, M/C and proportioning valve from Dr. Diff. Finally got to test drive today. Wow- I actually have working brakes.
When I removed the old proportioning valve and compared it to the new one the passages in the new one were twice the size. After installing everything and turning on the vacuum pump and pressing the brake- no more groan from the booster. Went for a 20 mile test drive and then checked the temps on all the brakes with my infrared temp gun. all the brakes were cool, nothing hanging up or dragging.

Thanks to all for the advice/input.


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Re: Brake Issues-update. We have brakes [Re: NHCharger] #2654409
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Glad you got it handled ad thanks for the update beer

Re: Brake Issues-update. We have brakes [Re: NHCharger] #2654602
05/12/19 01:01 PM
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what is the diameter of the bendix booster ? [TIA]
glad you have solved the problem ! boogie
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