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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2639424
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Unported 906’s flow enough air for 570 hp?

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: WO23Coronet] #2639440
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Looks like a fun car. My old Daytona was the nicest driving car I’ve ever had and I miss it. Hopefully the new owner gets it out this year

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2639484
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Nice piece, Jim. I'd say 6.05-6.30 depending on actual weight of car, and what trans you go with. There was someone on here that has a real nice glide for sale. I was going to buy it, but backed out last minute. Have to slow down spending habits, since I'm getting ready to relocate, downsize. TCI housing and bell, Reid tail, brake, 5,800 converter.

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: gregsdart] #2639610
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Originally Posted by gregsdart
Great looking car, Jim! Ever consider short shifting it and run 10.00 so you can stay out of a fire suit?

Yes.
Part of my retirement "plan", was to just run 10.00.
We will see if I can stick to that low dollar, easy going, bracket racing.

But After selling the Dart turn key for $30k, I had the money for a good chassis that I won't "outgrow" from a power perspective.

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: MoparBilly] #2639621
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Originally Posted by MoparBilly
Jim
You need a converter that will keep the engine in the meat of it's torque curve the longest.
I had an 8 inch 5500 stall that would flash to 5400 at the hit, and drop to 5250 on the shift to drive.
I had a 9 inch 5000 stall that would flash to 5100 at the hit, and drop to 5000 on the shift to drive.
The engine would go through the traps at 6400 regardless of whether it got there at 1150 feet or 1280 feet, that's all it had.
The 9 inch was a tenth or better than the 8 just about anywhere except Denver!
Thanks.
I was thinking 4500-4900 stall. Easy to hook, and that is where the engine torque is.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2654917
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I finally finished the Powerglide for the Daytona.
I was going to use the car's TCI midplate to adapt to the GM bellhousing, but changed to a JW ultrabell instead, minor delay.
I will still use the midplate, but just for chassis mounting, not an adapter.

I used a saws-all to initially cut off the transmission bellhousing.
Then cleaned it up and made the final clearance on my Bridgeport milling machine. A die grinder can be used instead, it isn't critical.

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2654919
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I started with a stock 1967 PG from a 1967 Camero 327 car. It has the 1.76 planetary gearset.
Here are some of the upgrades I put in the trans:

FTI-F2520 Input Shaft, 4340 Steel, Turbo Spline, Powerglide. Requires converter have stator centering bushing
FTI-F2543 Lightened Steel Clutch hub, for 6 to 8 clutches
ATI-205642 Steel drum assembly, 7 clutches (8.86 lbs) 0.065” thick, 8 steels 0.060” thick
ATI-205318 Super Servo gapless (hooked) twin rings, gasket, o-ring.
ATI-205750 PG - Springs – Heavy Duty for reverse piston release - Set (17)
SOX-28709 PG HD rear spring retainer
ATI-202100 Shifter Lever, 2-Piece, Steel, Zinc Finish, Chevy, Powerglide, Kit
ATI-206300 Transmission Gaskets, Transmission Overhaul, Seals, Filter. Teflon rings on input shaft & drum support
ATI-203050 ATI Compu-Flow Trans-Brake, external solenoid
FTI-F2553 Transmission Pan, Deep, Aluminum, Natural, 2 qt. Capacity Increase

There are some case mods for the transbrake and durability improvements for racing.
The JW bell is SFI rated for the flywheel/flexplate sheild, but I added a trans case shield to add SFI protection to the rest.

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2654921
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Good friend of mine had a very similar combo in a tube chassis Daytona. 499" RB, stock unported 346 heads, solid FT cam, M1 4500 and a 1050 and a 727 trans. Ran 6.50s in the 1/8.

Later on he bought some Indy SR heads for it. First pass off the trailer it went 6.teens w/ very low timing and no tuning. Should have been 5.9x capable but he sold it before ever running it again.


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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2654923
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Time to bolt it to the engine and mount the combo in the car.
I had Lenny at Ultimate Converter Concepts in North Carolina build me a 9.5" converter with stator upgrade and mechanical diode for durability.
A few braided lines to fit and make, etc. I upgraded the car's fuel lines to a return regulator, also have another filter for past the pump.
Getting close now.

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2654924
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Good friend of mine had a very similar combo in a tube chassis Daytona. 499" RB, stock unported 346 heads, solid FT cam, M1 4500 and a 1050 and a 727 trans. Ran 6.50s in the 1/8.

Later on he bought some Indy SR heads for it. First pass off the trailer it went 6.teens w/ very low timing and no tuning. Should have been 5.9x capable but he sold it before ever running it again.

Just putting some Indy or Trick Flow heads on will bump the CR from 10.3 to high 11's, and improve power with no other changes.
A future upgrade if I get tired of running 6.20-6.40 (9.80-10.00) and want 5 second 1/8ths, and low 9's quarter mile.


1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
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