Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/20/19 11:11 AM
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I just finished a customer car that bought a PST kit. he had many wrong parts as his car was a 67/69/73 disc brake 69 Dart
So this consisted of total disassembly, clean and recondition, all parts, install new bushings and Ball Joints. Pitman arm, clearance header, dismantle another correct Steering assembly for donor parts, waiting for correct parts, reinstall all
What do you think a fair price is for this service? He agreed to $65 hours and I have 30 hours total including some wiring and e brake fixes.
Last edited by 440PURSUIT; 03/20/19 11:14 AM.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
[Re: 440PURSUIT]
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03/20/19 07:49 PM
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TJP
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I just finished a customer car that bought a PST kit. he had many wrong parts as his car was a 67/69/73 disc brake 69 Dart
So this consisted of total disassembly, clean and recondition, all parts, install new bushings and Ball Joints. Pitman arm, clearance header, dismantle another correct Steering assembly for donor parts, waiting for correct parts, reinstall all
What do you think a fair price is for this service? He agreed to $65 hours and I have 30 hours total including some wiring and e brake fixes. Welcome to my world Everything I bolded = extra time. Especially the clean and recondition part. I do not think you are out of line at all. Customers don't always understand the BS we go through trying to make things right, especially when it's a conglomeration of parts or Bubba's been there before you.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
[Re: TJP]
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03/20/19 08:00 PM
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I don't generally fart about with other people's rides anymore.
Because they don't want to pay what it costs to do it right but they sure will cry about anything that is wrong, whether you touched it or not.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/20/19 08:22 PM
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therocks
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oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
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Remonds me of electric and or driveability problems.People dont understand you can have tons of hours chasing a problem.New cars are tons worse than old ones.Cant say how many hours the shop didnt charg.The best one is they want to know if an hour will be all they owe.Just have to tell them OK so many hours and when its done we stop.Rocky
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
[Re: 440PURSUIT]
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03/20/19 11:37 PM
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Hemidavey
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Just finished a 68 at our shop, we have 26 hours in it. No disassembly of secondary unit. Our rate 95 per hour. Local shop labor rates range between 85 and 145 per hour, 95% of them will not work on old cars due to rust and difficulty in getting the correct parts.
Last edited by cudacar340; 03/21/19 08:19 AM.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/21/19 12:08 AM
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I thought $400 was generous when I did the last one. But I'm also working on rust free Arizona cars. Also I have all the tools and made tools for making the job move quicker.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/21/19 12:21 AM
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Probably 15 years ago a friend of mine paid $1,800 (parts included) for his '71 Barracuda front end rebuild at a local tire shop. I charged a buddy of mine $750 labor last year to rebuild the front end on his 1957 Coronet. I undercharged by a bit due to all the rusty parts, etc. I do hot tank, bead blast, and paint the hard parts. The labor should have been $1,500. All told, I made about $1k on the entire job as there were other things that needed to be done, but I think I made about $10/hour, if that.
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/21/19 08:23 AM
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yella71
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Shop owner to shop owner, when I do work like that I tell the customer Up front It will be charged as time and materials. When you start cleaning 45 years worth of grease/paint and road grime and then painting parts and all the other things that go along with it the time adds up. Im not here fixing this crap because I have nothing better to do and im good at what I do. I can put a set of pads and rotors on a Honda accord and make good money much faster and not clean anything. that takes an hour. A few of those a day is all I need. That said charge him what you feel is fair but show him your total hours for the job. If they don't like it they can spend 35 years learning how to do it. People pay to have their cars fixed because they cant do it. You have the knowledge, shop space and tools. all cost money. Just make sure its done right......Bill it out
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Re: Complete Front End Reuild -Labor Hours?? Dart
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03/22/19 02:17 PM
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If you have a shop and a business with staff and overhead, then the hourly rate should be what it is. The customer should have a realistic idea of time involved upfront, or they might flip at the 2k invoice.. Obviously, there are some uknowns, but they should at least have a window of possibilities. If you do this stuff on the side in your garage or theirs, I don't think you can ask the same rate. There is also some risk on the customer side as to recourse if something goes wrong with the job. That being said, complete front end rebuild is a lot of work. With all the issues that can arise with 50 year seized up parts, who knows... There are so many variables
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