Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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One thing to consider is the bending of axle tubes. This was always something Monte Smith pointed out. At high power levels, you can't stop the tubes from bending on a Dana. 9" rears have all sorts of stronger housings and their design makes them easy to brace up real good.
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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One thing to consider is the bending of axle tubes. This was always something Monte Smith pointed out. At high power levels, you can't stop the tubes from bending on a Dana. 9" rears have all sorts of stronger housings and their design makes them easy to brace up real good. The Dana housing in my car is bent and I'm not at a really high power level so it only takes a heavy stick car with a stiff clutch and medium traction to bend one. There are some guys that brace them with tubes and heims like the 8.8 Ford guys do. I'm not sure the back brace tubes do any thing with the Ultimate 60 covers have but it looks cool Gus
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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Me thinks the 40 spline axles gun drill lightweight option are a better choice for both rear ends this is what I was told as well . And I can tell you first-hand a 40 spline with a big gun drill. Was lighter than my 31-spline that wasn't drilled OK since I'm chasing light 9" with aluminum center section and gun drilled 40 spline? Do they make gun drilled 35 spline? Strange charges around $140.00 a pair to drill 35 spline axles when you order them. Mark Williams will also drill 35 spline axles but I'm not sure what they charge Gus
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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I don't know how much power it takes to bend Dana tubes? But mine hasn't bent them in 525+ passes at somewhere north of 900hp. 1.25-1.30 60ft@3350lbs (or 3500lbs+ with ballast). The first Motive street gear went 425 passes before it bent a tooth. The 2nd no name street gear only went 100 passes before it broke pinion teeth. This time it got a US gear Pro Gear. I also added the LPW cover like shown above. Braces were not added at this time. We'll go do some real word testing and see what happens, Doug I think mine may have happened before I got some better shocks on my car. I was racing at the Chrysler classic event about 4 years ago and it hooked hard and unloaded the suspension and bounced the left rear tire off the track. My buddy actually took picture and the car had 3 wheels off the ground. It also bent the wheel studs enough that I had to cut them off to unscrew them from the axles. Ever since then the axles are hard the get in and out of the housing. They are Moser 35 spline axles and spool installed a 67 factory Mopar housing. It was a violent launch and I'll never put a 5500 chip in the 2 step again. Gus
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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I put the car up on the alignment rack at work and the rear alignment was pretty straight. Very slight difference between right and left.Not enough to be in the red anyway but it wouldn't take much to make the axles bind up in the splines. I recently installed a PowerLock unit with brand new upgraded spider gears and it was even worse with brand new splines. There is a rear end shop about 40 minutes away that can straighten my housing and re-tube it with chrome molly tubes if necessary. This is the deal that the Mustang guys are running Gus
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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Like always the "stock" Dana is stronger than a "stock" 9" Now build a 9" without ANY Ford parts then the race is on. Three bearings to support the pinion against the ring gear will ALWAYS be better than two And yes it will cost about twice as much but in the end you will have a better unit. Still have a Dana in my car though Gus 100% agree Build one w/ good parts and the 9" is better. That efficiency argument is a wash. You'll never see it, unless you're in a low powered class car that needs every tiny ounce of free movement to run a number. The benefits of an aftermarket 9" far outweigh any efficiency issue. This is all true.
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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Like always the "stock" Dana is stronger than a "stock" 9" Now build a 9" without ANY Ford parts then the race is on. Three bearings to support the pinion against the ring gear will ALWAYS be better than two And yes it will cost about twice as much but in the end you will have a better unit. Still have a Dana in my car though Gus 100% agree Build one w/ good parts and the 9" is better. That efficiency argument is a wash. You'll never see it, unless you're in a low powered class car that needs every tiny ounce of free movement to run a number. The benefits of an aftermarket 9" far outweigh any efficiency issue. This is all true. I agree but still run a Dana 60. Most of my buddies all have there cars dialed in with 9", so the simplicity of being able to do a quick gear change never matters anyway. They have been running the same gear ratio for years now. The major benefit beside new parts availability is to build a spare center section & to have in the trailer if you break one.
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Re: D-60 vs 9"....here we go again....
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A 9 in rear was NEVER put behind a diesel engine in a truck. A 9in housing is lighter then a dana 60 ... so it comes down to what it will be used for.
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