Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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I thought diesel/fuel oil was the by-product of making gasoline? That's what I thought What you call a by product depends on what you want and what you don't want. If you want diesel any thing other than diesel is a byproduct. LOL - that's true. I thought diesel was cracked off sooner then gas, but I'm not a Chemical Engineer
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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I thought diesel/fuel oil was the by-product of making gasoline? That's what I thought The low sulphur requirement for ships is still a year away? https://shipandbunker.com/news/world/340...ms-more-optionsI've read this is going to cause major problems in the shipping industry as refineries around the world aren't configured to refine the amount of low sulphur bunker fuel that will be required. The low prices of gasoline today is primarily because crude oil prices are low. And seasonal demand means gasoline prices are typically lowest in winter. Here in my fine state, the incoming administration is chomping at the bit to increase revenues to perfume our pig of a financial situation, so proposals like legalizing pot, more casinos and increasing gas taxes a "more reasonably" 20-30 cents additional a gallon are top priorities. Sounds like California but without the good weather
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/24/18 08:18 PM
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I thought diesel/fuel oil was the by-product of making gasoline? That's what I thought What you call a by product depends on what you want and what you don't want. If you want diesel any thing other than diesel is a byproduct. LOL - that's true. I thought diesel was cracked off sooner then gas, but I'm not a Chemical Engineer I think you are right. But there is only so much diesel in a barrel of crude and how much depends on the crude. https://www.britannica.com/science/crude-oilSorry for the school lesson, lol.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/24/18 08:55 PM
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I thought diesel/fuel oil was the by-product of making gasoline? That's what I thought What you call a by product depends on what you want and what you don't want. If you want diesel any thing other than diesel is a byproduct. In the petro industry it's virtuall all used. Like an Indian and his kill. It has to be that way, they refine in order to optimize for the most efficient bottom line result.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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Gas is DOWN...??? Hah! If by 'down' you mean shooting up .60¢ a gallon then yeah, sure. Merry [censored] Christmas from big oil.
Must be nice...
You’re living in the wrong place. The government also makes more money per gallon in taxes, than “ big oil” does in profit.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/26/18 12:37 PM
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Gas is DOWN...??? Hah! If by 'down' you mean shooting up .60¢ a gallon then yeah, sure. Merry [censored] Christmas from big oil.
Must be nice...
that would be the stupid tax you pay for living where you live.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/26/18 01:50 PM
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$1.82 for regular, $2.12 for 93, $2.89 for non ethanol 93 here in Southside Virginia.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/26/18 04:14 PM
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Remember when diesel was ALWAYS cheaper than gasoline? Diesel is WAY easier to produce out of crude than gasoline - requires much less refining. BUT, the ULS requirement changed all that - thank you government. And if the ocean freight is now going to be required to burn ULS, good luck! Much harder on the diesel engines with lower amounts of sulfur - the sulfur adds lubricity. ULS has caused more engine wear in diesel engines & has caused all kinds of issues in the trucking industry, as has all the new emissions crap. Just talking with a PACCAR dealer a few months ago & he said there are still all kinds of emissions systems issues that cause fleets so many problems with equipment down.
The crude we are extracting from the shale oil in the Baaken & Green River Formations (they are connected too), is very high quality, but high in sulfur. It's cheaper for us to export this oil than to try & refine it - I was told this by one of the companies drilling in the Green River Formation. Also, remember when gas prices were separated by 10-cents a gallon for the 87, 90, & 92 octanes? Now, the price difference between 87 octane & premium is at least 60-cents a gallon, & more often 80-cents. WHY? What changed? It's because the bean counters said "hey - we CAN do this! What can the consumer do to counter? Nothing!"
We should drop the requirement for ULS & use our own oil. Gas should all switch over to a single blend nationwide, & we should be building new refineries all over the country. Since the stringent diesel emissions were implemented back in 2007, we have seen NO measurable improvement in air quality - it's been over 10 years now. Prove me wrong.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/27/18 09:06 AM
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Gas is DOWN...??? Hah! If by 'down' you mean shooting up .60¢ a gallon then yeah, sure. Merry [censored] Christmas from big oil.
Must be nice...
that would be the stupid tax you pay for living where you live. Nah, the stupid tax is lottery tickets, i dont pay that one. Now... i pay a stupid government tax, and yeah, its a stiff one. If i thought it was a good idea to live in the States, i'd have moved there years ago. Hell, i'd own a house, paid for. Not worth it.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/27/18 11:08 AM
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If you greatly dislike paying for gasoline consider buying a natural gas capable automobile or pickup. In many areas you can drill a modest depth well and get enough gas to fully charge a vehicle tank once a day. Geologic maps can show you where there are old capped gas wells that can easily produce enough methane to fill vehicles. You can also make methane with relatively simple bio-digesters. I was taught that the world’s coal was the largest fossil fuel resource. Today we know that natural gas worldwide and in sea floor methane hydrate deposits exceed coal by at least ten times. That is not all good news. If an modest asteroid hits an area of seafloor that has both methane hydrate and gypsum rock deposits... we are all doomed.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/27/18 12:17 PM
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Just talking with a PACCAR dealer a few months ago & he said there are still all kinds of emissions systems issues that cause fleets so many problems with equipment down. To be fair, Paccar's emissions troubles are largely the result of Paccar's poor quality electronics. Their electronics are like the VW of the automotive world.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/27/18 01:21 PM
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If you greatly dislike paying for gasoline consider buying a natural gas capable automobile or pickup. In many areas you can drill a modest depth well and get enough gas to fully charge a vehicle tank once a day. Geologic maps can show you where there are old capped gas wells that can easily produce enough methane to fill vehicles. You can also make methane with relatively simple bio-digesters. I was taught that the world’s coal was the largest fossil fuel resource. Today we know that natural gas worldwide and in sea floor methane hydrate deposits exceed coal by at least ten times. That is not all good news. If an modest asteroid hits an area of seafloor that has both methane hydrate and gypsum rock deposits... we are all doomed. No such thing as a 'modest well'....wells are complicated and costly. There are rules/regulations/permits that must be obtained. Existing capped wells belong to someone else and you can't just tap into them. Raw gas sometimes needs further refining to remove sour materials and moisture. It must be then compressed in order for a car's tank to be filled. Just not doable by a private party unless your property already has free gas....then the compression aspect is the limiting factor. If any decent meteor hits earth anywhere....life is over.
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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Well, enjoy those lower prices !!! Up here in Canada, we are approximately $4-5(US)/gallon of regular !!! . . . and we can thank our governments (feds and provincial) for a big chunk of that !!! Heck, in Vancouver, they have a 15cents tax that goes to the "rapid transit" system !!! - they figure you will take the train rather than drive your car !!! . . . And here in Alberta (oil and gas country - think Texas north), we are paying as much as rest of country, sometimes even more !!! . . . oh, and then there is the CARBON TAX that our leftist NDP provincial government slapped on ALL fossil fuels (costing me $25-30/mth more to keep the heat on in the house now) . . . sorry, rant off . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! . . .
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Re: Gasolines price down because of Ocean Ship fuel change
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12/28/18 08:17 AM
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Well, enjoy those lower prices !!! Up here in Canada, we are approximately $4-5(US)/gallon of regular !!! . . . and we can thank our governments (feds and provincial) for a big chunk of that !!! Heck, in Vancouver, they have a 15cents tax that goes to the "rapid transit" system !!! - they figure you will take the train rather than drive your car !!! . . . And here in Alberta (oil and gas country - think Texas north), we are paying as much as rest of country, sometimes even more !!! . . . oh, and then there is the CARBON TAX that our leftist NDP provincial government slapped on ALL fossil fuels (costing me $25-30/mth more to keep the heat on in the house now) . . . sorry, rant off . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR !!! . . . HAH!!! I WISH we had Alberta prices!
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