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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #25778
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What type of compound and wax is recommended?

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Has anyone tried to do a strip or maybe flames over a roller job? Say red then roll on some silver flames?

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I have been following this for a while and I dont have a car that needs paint, I did need to paint my toolbox. black truck with a black truckbox. I d/a'd it with 220 and used black paint thinned with a little min. sp. and rolled it on, THICK the the next day I wet sanded and rolled it again, and left it. both times there were lots of little bubbles that flowed out within minutes, but overall I think this is great! I did minimal prep, and was not real careful with it, put the paint thick and only sanded ith 220 both times and I think it looks great, I am not real concerned because its a tool box and going to be beat, but I would not hesitate to do this to a car I can only imagine the results that you could get if you took more time than I did, and also dont drive while the paints wet.

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: 69DartGT] #25781
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Has anyone tried to do a strip or maybe flames over a roller job? Say red then roll on some silver flames?




I dunno... but flames are such an outrageous thing that you have to do it DEAD RIGHT or it gives people something to pick on....

If I was considering putting painted flames on to my car... I would probably get an airbrush artist to do the job right and make those flames look as professional as can be. It might cost a few bucks ( if hiring a pro ) or a case of beer and some food ( if hiring some buddy who is good at it ), but I think it would be a great investment AND you can afford that luxury with all the money you saved on the paint job

Other than that... I am sure you coulf probably use the roller method to get some nicely detailed flames on to the car. But I can't help but think that an airbrushed job would look more like it is part of the paint job rather than looking like something that was stuck on over the paint...

I noticed that you were referring to just a one color flame... in silver on a red body. But even there you might want to outline the silver flame with a white line or a gray to give it some 3d lift visually off the paint.

For my airbrush idea... it would probably be a three or four color paint job... starting with a base of blue and combining sections of purple, yellow and orange to set the flames off for that natural hot look

Maybe the cheaper answer to just doing a one color flame is to buy pre-manufactured flame decals, which would give you a clean and professional appearance. There are tons of decal manufacturers advertising on the internet that can create just about any look in automotive quality vinyl ( whether it be a one color decal or a multi-color version ).

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Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25782
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I can't blame anything on the paint. It was totally the idiot that put it on. The paint right next to it on the fender looks great.
I just neede to sand a little rougher 320 grit and stay with a compatable primer, but I'm a lernin

Re: Paint job on a budget!? CONTINUED..page 44........ [Re: Marq] #25783
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get mike levallee to do the true flames

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Paint Type Summary Request [Re: 69chargeryeehaa] #25785
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I have been following this thread for some time, but this is my first post.

I have done most of the prep work on some of the panels on my old truck and wanted to start painting. I am about to go buy paint. Can I get any of the stateside people who have done it to comment on the use of the various rustoluem flavors (e.g. “professional” vs. “industrial” vs. standard “stops rust” vs. “farm equipment?)” Is there a general consensus on the board that I have just browsed over (the thread is HUGE)? Round these parts selection is very limited. They only sell the standard and the “farm equipment” flavors here, I’ll likely have to drive to Gulfport or order online if I need the other stuff.

Also any tips on where to get the right mineral spirits?

Thanks for all the great information

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First welcome to the board, you should be able to find minaral spirits at local Home Depot get the non scented without any problems.
Can't help on the other questions.
BTW my youngest lives in Gulfport.

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I got both my paint and mineral spirits at Walmart. I used the Stops Rust version and the Oderless Mineral spirits.

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Re: Paint Type Summary Request [Re: v8mirage] #25788
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I am wondering now if putting the paint on too thin makes it not has hard as it could be? I put thin layers on my car, and can dent/slice the paint with my nail.

Where I sprayed the car (door jambs, under the hood) it is very hard, and very glossy. It was one thick coat. No way can I scratch it with my nail, and it gets to this hardness in a day or so. Also, I mixed up a thick batch of penetrol and rustoleum and touched up an area (1 coat coverage thickness) and that has dried, in about a week, to rock hard and glossy.

So I'm dissatisfied with the hardness of the finish, and I'm considering either spraying the whole car with Rustoleum + mineral spirits, or trying boat paint with a roller. I'm leaning towards spraying rustoleum via HVLP, but I'm going to go to a marine place this weekend and see what they have on tap.

Glad this is just a hobby and not my livelihood, or I'd be bankrupt by now.

Re: Paint Type Summary Request [Re: Exit1965] #25789
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I am wondering now if putting the paint on too thin makes it not has hard as it could be? I put thin layers on my car, and can dent/slice the paint with my nail.






I dunno... logic would dictate that the thinner layer build up of paint 'should' be the harder. As it is very much like lacquering... The thin layer 'should be evaporating quicker and leaving the thin layer of pigment behind to harden quicker with the more effective exposure to oxygen.

Now I will try to put my scientist hat on for a second and see if I can think of some abstract reason for why the 'thinner' paint would not dry as hard. The first thought that popped into my head is this ( and this is totally baseless and without any scientific knowledge or understanding of paint molecular theory. POSSIBLY what happens when you over thin the paint.. it causes the paint itself to break up more at the molecular level. MAYBE the paint can only handle a certain amount of thinning before it is no longer able to rejoin all its little molecular components.

For example, let us say a paint molecule is like a string of DNA. And let us say that paint helix looks like this...

A.B.C.D.E.F.G ( note the one dots )

Now when we over thin the paint.. it might affect the spacing between these components of the paint's DNA... and now it looks like

A....B....C....D....E....F....G ( note the 4 dots )

At this point it is not able to rebond itself back together. So when it does dry it is not able to form a hard enough combination of the components to be hard. It's like how one bad or screwed up DNA in a human can result in the children being mongoloids :>

Now... maybe using the Charger mixture of mineral spirits we are stretching the chain or structure of the paint molecules and components... BUT not passing the point where the molecules and components can reform back to a reasonable semblance of what the paint would have done if it hadn't been thinned.

So the Charger paint DNA string might look like :
A...B...C...D...E...F...G... ( note the three dots ).

Ouch... my brain hurts a lot trying to think up a reason... and everyone elses brain is probably hurting trying to figure out that psuedo-scientific razzle dazzle I tried to say...

Maybe we should just go for the short answer - trim your nails real short - end of problem.

Re: Paint Type Summary Request [Re: Exit1965] #25790
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Well I rolled a medium coat of Black using Blue Marine Poly Paint. Some panels came out really weell, others have roller ridges and peel. I am blocking the whole car so this coat is acting as a primer.

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lotsa gloss-poster on the wall.

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I also am getting fingernail marks after painting a month ago. I am wondering if this will affect polishing or will polishing beef up the finish and make it harder?

Seriously debating spraying the car with proper one part poly car paint. i have access to a gun.

The gun i can use is the "old style"? I guess it is better than the modern day guns. Don't know why. If I have to spray. i will splurge and get decent DuPont paint. Still on the fence.

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Re: Paint Type Summary Request [Re: Marq] #25794
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What did you use to thin your Brightside applications (mineral spirits or someting else)?

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Hello everyone, I was referred here by a friend and I rolled black Brightside on my '92 Nissan 240SX. Looking good, but I've been taking my sweet time getting it done. I started from white, and I got a solid, uniform color after only two coats. I'm about to apply my 4th right now, and I think I may be done after that, unless someone suggests that I continue further. I've used less than a quart and a half so far.

Oh, I bought some of the Pre-Kote, Interlux's own primer... mistake. It was $27 (vs. $33 for the actual paint), and I only used it in areas where I had rust that I took down to bare metal and/or bondoed. Oh well.

Regarding the advice that you should not expose the final coat to any rain for a week, why is this? Letting it set for 24 hours makes sense, but Brightside dries hard very quickly (IIRC Interlux quotes like 12 hour recoat times, or less). I've also heard that you shouldnt sand or polish the top coat for a week or so as well, is this true of Brightside as well?

Pictures coming soon.

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wow this is still going! awesome!

I haven't tried it yet, but if I get a beater, I will!

when will this get archived?


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Re: Another first [Re: 70Cuda383] #25797
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exit1965 - there must be something with that cali paint

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