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Re: Building your own headers [Re: CMcAllister] #2573106
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
It's a fun, relaxing way to spend a few days, especially if it's a piece of cake like a Hemi or an RB in an A body with stock suspension. I would not suggest it for your first project if you just bought a new welder and decided to teach yourself how to make stuff.



You and I certainly have a different definition for fun and relaxing!!! I've built several sets of headers and I'll never do it again. Last set was a set of 2.125 X 28 x 4 in an early A with the engine set back 8 inches AND torsion bars.

New swear words were invented. The bad thing was I had 12 inch collectors and really needed to be at 18 or a bit more but just didn't have the room.


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Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573194
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First, Kudos to everyone who posted pictures of headers they've made. Pretty nice to super nice work. All very impressive. The mandrel from the slug is very clever. up

Originally Posted By racerx
Can anyone give some tips or tricks on building your own headers?

Some good threads on speedtalk about building headers.
Join the speedtalk forum so you can see the pictures. The only e-mails you'll get are those from Speedtalk itself - maybe once a year or two. This one is long but lots of good info in it.
First Time Header Build - Speed talk

Although the guys there prefer 421, we found it too be very difficult in my Barracuda. (We really being Brian Slowe, as he did all the real work) Passenger side is really tight. 4 in 1 would be easier.

Whether or not going for a narrow rpm band, Calvin Elston's perspective on tube size and length off the head is really interesting. If interested, check out his posts in this one
What is (exhaust) Blowdown Length? p.2
and poke around his blog.
http://www.exhausting101.com/?p=37

Another place with building tips is Headers By Ed's website and booklets. If you have the ground clearance, his designs are pretty nice and because they are multi-piece, easy to install.

Re: Building your own headers [Re: HardcoreB] #2573203
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Originally Posted By HardcoreB
Originally Posted By racerx
Can anyone give some tips or tricks on building your own headers?

I try to 'size' them dimensionally with consideration of what upgrades may be in the future for the application. Put the collector in place first, ideally on a fixture to hold in place. Route the rear tubes for each bank (i.e. 7,8) out the inner fenders and around the frame. Route the tubes CW or CCW respective to the engines firing order. Build the most compromised tube or tubes first so they flow as good as possible. Don't sweat equal lengths. Make S.plugs and wires easy to access. I use a hose clamp and cut out a section in the middle to allow tack-welding while holding tube in place.

Good ideals gents up i'm likeing the hose clamp /drill hole deal for tacking tubes.

Re: Building your own headers [Re: rickseeman] #2573212
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Re: Building your own headers [Re: FastmOp] #2573216
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Originally Posted By FastmOp
I have made a few sets. I'd charge $1500 plus materials if I was going to do a set.

Fastop or the top set for the turbo setup?

Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573221
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I want to do a setup similar to what 69B1 Dart did on my Dart, With them exiting out the fender.

Read over a lot of threads but never see what guys are using for primary length on different setups. What are you guys with setups similar to mine using for primary length on Big block stroker setups? I have a 502 cid with Indys that probably makes 800 and something or so HP and have hooker supercomp fenderwells on it, that I know are killing it.

I was thinking something like 2-2 1/8 dia. with 32-34 inch long pipes?


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Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573225
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I mocked up a set using a kit supplied by gp headers, and set the mock ups to them for fabrication in stainless. $1800

https://www.gpheaders.com

https://youtu.be/j9knDsi-td8

https://youtu.be/9s1-AZcPWAA

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Re: Building your own headers [Re: CMcAllister] #2573228
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
It's a fun, relaxing way to spend a few days, especially if it's a piece of cake like a Hemi or an RB in an A body with stock suspension. I would not suggest it for your first project if you just bought a new welder and decided to teach yourself how to make stuff.
whistling I fixed it for you grin


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Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573347
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theirs a talented guy!! nice work!!

Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573393
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Originally Posted By racerx
Originally Posted By FastmOp
I have made a few sets. I'd charge $1500 plus materials if I was going to do a set.

Fastop or the top set for the turbo setup?


Yes that's for Ka-BLUE-E the Turbo Avenger.
The black coating has not held up as well as I had hoped. I think my next set will be stainless just so I can skip getting them coated.

I used a couple scrap pieces of aluminum and a couple hose clamps at the joints I wanted to weld to get everything lined up. Worked pretty good.

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Re: Building your own headers [Re: FastmOp] #2573439
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Here are some headers and crossover pipe I made for my stock 440 big single turbo Dart. What a tight fit everything was grin



Re: Building your own headers [Re: FastmOp] #2573567
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Originally Posted By FastmOp
The black coating has not held up as well as I had hoped.

Take a look at plasma applied zirconium dioxide.
Its an industrial process but some places will do small jobs.
Swaintech in the US calls it "white lightning exhaust coating". Seems to have a good rep in turbo circles. I had a set of headers done by them but can't speak to the long term durability personally (sold the headers).
In UK and maybe Aus, Zircotech has several versions of this coating for exhausts. But its more expensive even before shipping.

https://www.zircotec.com/exhaust-coatings/

http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/automotive-coatings/automotive-coatings-price-sheet/

http://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/white-lightning-exhaust-coatings/

Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573571
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I made a set of turbo headers over the summer. I never attempted to make a set before and didn't know what I was getting into over the comments about how difficult they are to make that I read online... I have to say it was 100 times easier than I expected. I bought a header kit to make your own for the pipes/bends and bought some good thick stainless flanges. A few afternoons they were pretty much done.

Just have a lot of bends on hand and it's pretty easy to do. No way I'd pay 2k to have a pair made.


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Re: Building your own headers [Re: FastmOp] #2573575
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Originally Posted By FastmOp
Originally Posted By racerx
Originally Posted By FastmOp
I have made a few sets. I'd charge $1500 plus materials if I was going to do a set.

Fastop or the top set for the turbo setup?


Yes that's for Ka-BLUE-E the Turbo Avenger.
The black coating has not held up as well as I had hoped. I think my next set will be stainless just so I can skip getting them coated.

I used a couple scrap pieces of aluminum and a couple hose clamps at the joints I wanted to weld to get everything lined up. Worked pretty good.
Fastmop were you useing header wrap on the turbo headers or running them unwrap?

Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573580
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No wrap

Re: Building your own headers [Re: racerx] #2573627
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Re: Building your own headers [Re: CrAzYMoPaRGuY] #2573734
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Originally Posted By CrAzYMoPaRGuY
I made SURE the bends flowed, no tipped tubes/bends and no cheating. Smooth flow.
Then someone showed me a dyno test of a set of headers on a dyno, fresh headers that were then hammered like crazy. Not much difference on the dyno. Which to ME seems crazy!!!




I seen the same video I believe it was on a Road Kill episode. Basically shows that the header tubes were to big for the engine. It was interesting showing them beating the heck out of a new set of headers.


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