Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567498
10/21/18 09:21 PM
10/21/18 09:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,908
Florida
Locomotion Offline
master
Locomotion  Offline
master

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,908
Florida
I've broken a few 742 8 3/4's over the decades. It's always been the ring & pinion teeth. 1.47 best 60' in a 3,540+ lb 360 footbrake car. I've been using the aluminum cases, which may help overall. I believe that weight is a big factor. But it's difficult to pin down why other things, like an OEM cap, breaks before the teeth. Lots of variables. I put a Dana 60 in my 12 second 3,930 lb Aspen and haven't changed the rear in the Dart yet. Peace of mind.

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567505
10/21/18 09:41 PM
10/21/18 09:41 PM
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
This year I could have run a 8.75 as my car has been on jack stands 99% of the time. When I get back to the track, I prefer my S60.

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567507
10/21/18 09:43 PM
10/21/18 09:43 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
J
Just-a-dart Offline
pro stock
Just-a-dart  Offline
pro stock
J

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
Originally Posted By B3422W5
Than a production 489 housing
Anybody using a nodular 8.75 rear with a brake?


I have done this, as my Dart got quicker the parts attrition got worse. 60' 1.39/1.40 normally now, 3375lbs Nod 489 case, 35 spline, magic pink goo shock proof oil, back braced. I run a 4.30 gear which is probably the worst but it is what the car wants.

I race often it got down to 2 ring and pinions a year, Richmond, Motive, Yukon had them all. I did a 9" and am very happy with it. You will be money ahead in the long run to just upgrade to a tow truck rear or a 9"

I had to type this out 3 times to remove the cutting sarcasm, cuss words, and bad attitude I have on this subject

Last edited by Just-a-dart; 10/21/18 09:58 PM.


"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: Just-a-dart] #2567517
10/21/18 09:56 PM
10/21/18 09:56 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,804
Portage,michigan
B
B3422W5 Offline OP
I Live Here
B3422W5  Offline OP
I Live Here
B

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 11,804
Portage,michigan
Originally Posted By Just-a-dart
Originally Posted By B3422W5
Than a production 489 housing
Anybody using a nodular 8.75 rear with a brake?


I have done this, as my Dart got quicker the parts attrition got worse. 60' 1.39/1.40 normally now, 3375lbs Nod 489 case, 35 spline, magic pink goo shock proof oil, back braced. I run a 4.30 gear which is probably the worst but it is what the car wants.

I race often it got down to 2 ring and pinions a year, Richmond, Motive, Yukon had them all. I did a 9" and am very happy with it. You will be money ahead in the long run to just upgrade to a tow truck rear or a 9"


Thanks. That settles it


69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam, footbrake street/strip car

1.41 best 60 foot
6.54 @ 105.20



Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: merpar] #2567537
10/21/18 10:25 PM
10/21/18 10:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,794
Mt.Gilead, Ohio
OhioMopar Offline
master
OhioMopar  Offline
master

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,794
Mt.Gilead, Ohio
Originally Posted By merpar
The weak point in the 8 3/4 is the bearing caps.

"You can brace it like a tank and it will NOT fix the inherent weakness of the 8.75. Torque pushes the ring gear away from the pinion when the case flexes. You CAN'T fix that. They break caps because all the debris from the shelled teeth gets in there and it pushes the cap off. So you will spend a lot of time and money trying to fix a problem you can't fix and it will eventually break anyway." Monte Smith


1969 Dart GTS 340
1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96
1999 Dodge Dakota R/T RC
2015 Dodge Dart GT
2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: Just-a-dart] #2567538
10/21/18 10:26 PM
10/21/18 10:26 PM
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,036
bean town ....Ca
W
WHITEDART Offline
master
WHITEDART  Offline
master
W

Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,036
bean town ....Ca
Originally Posted By Just-a-dart
Originally Posted By B3422W5
Than a production 489 housing
Anybody using a nodular 8.75 rear with a brake?


I have done this, as my Dart got quicker the parts attrition got worse. 60' 1.39/1.40 normally now, 3375lbs Nod 489 case, 35 spline, magic pink goo shock proof oil, back braced. I run a 4.30 gear which is probably the worst but it is what the car wants.

I race often it got down to 2 ring and pinions a year, Richmond, Motive, Yukon had them all. I did a 9" and am very happy with it. You will be money ahead in the long run to just upgrade to a tow truck rear or a 9"

I had to type this out 3 times to remove the cutting sarcasm, cuss words, and bad attitude I have on this subject
. I'm going to have to say it was being built wrong for you to have broken that much stuff in a 10 second car.. guys like Thumper have been using the same one for 17 years.. that being said there is no substitute for 9inchs whistling


In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's
5.07 at 133 at 2700lb
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: WHITEDART] #2567548
10/21/18 10:34 PM
10/21/18 10:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
J
Just-a-dart Offline
pro stock
Just-a-dart  Offline
pro stock
J

Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,454
Glendora Ca.
[/quote]. I'm going to have to say it was being built wrong for you to have broken that much stuff in a 10 second car.. guys like Thumper have been using the same one for 17 years.. that being said there is no substitute for 9inchs whistling [/quote

Ha ha You sir are still a A..hole (and a friend)



"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: Thumperdart] #2567582
10/21/18 11:22 PM
10/21/18 11:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,238
North Central, Indiana
Roughbird72 Offline
pro stock
Roughbird72  Offline
pro stock

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,238
North Central, Indiana
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Originally Posted By csk
Ok I will say it, Do not waste more money on an 8 3/4, PERIOD


Been driving racing my 9-second Dart forever and JUST replaced the "stock" pumpkin 2+ years ago that had stock caps bolts etc. Too many wives tales but then again, some people are puttin them in the wrong application so you need to know where the cut off point is...........


The cut off point in mine was reached last weekend. Shelled teeth off the ring gear even with all the band-aids, but that's with a car that weighs 3800+
I'll be purchasing a Dana 60 next month.

Last edited by Roughbird72; 10/21/18 11:26 PM.

72 Plymouth Roadrunner 11.08@123.25
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567589
10/21/18 11:28 PM
10/21/18 11:28 PM
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 472
Minnesota, USA
humpty Offline
mopar
humpty  Offline
mopar

Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 472
Minnesota, USA
I’ve had no issues with either the stock or Nodular 489 case launching at 4500 dead hooking on Drag Radials off the brake at varying weights between 3300 and 3150. 250+ launches off the stock case, while I worked through traction issues to boot. Last weekend it went 6.30 in the 1/8mi with a 1.36 60’. No doubt a Dana or Ferd 9” are tougher, but needed? The data in my book suggests otherwise for a 3300 lb car running 10’s.

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567624
10/22/18 12:24 AM
10/22/18 12:24 AM
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN


I’m sure if we search enough we can find somebody who’s had no prob with HP and his 8 1/4 too.

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567626
10/22/18 12:32 AM
10/22/18 12:32 AM
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,915
Pattison Texas
CSK Offline
master
CSK  Offline
master

Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,915
Pattison Texas
& when that 8 3/4 lets go & takes out that expensive 727,a518 mopar auto trans, THEN the 8 3/4 size tears will flow smile


1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI
512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim
2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: J_BODY] #2567627
10/22/18 12:35 AM
10/22/18 12:35 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,794
Mt.Gilead, Ohio
OhioMopar Offline
master
OhioMopar  Offline
master

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,794
Mt.Gilead, Ohio
Originally Posted By J_BODY


I’m sure if we search enough we can find somebody who’s had no prob with HP and his 8 1/4 too.


haha


1969 Dart GTS 340
1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96
1999 Dodge Dakota R/T RC
2015 Dodge Dart GT
2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: Thumperdart] #2567737
10/22/18 10:20 AM
10/22/18 10:20 AM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,530
Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda Offline
I Live Here
an8sec70cuda  Offline
I Live Here

Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 13,530
Marion, South Carolina [><]
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Been running the Dr Diff unit for 2+ years and it is awesome imo and a bit heavier but beefier with forged caps and stout adjusters.........of course my stock unit lasted 16+ years........... boogie drive

Come on Dom, we all know you go to the track for a couple passes like once every 2 years. laugh2
Beating on it on the street will never duplicate the traction/stress it will see at the track. Lots of weak parts can live a long life w/ no traction.


CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2567740
10/22/18 10:21 AM
10/22/18 10:21 AM
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Been running the Dr Diff unit for 2+ years and it is awesome imo and a bit heavier but beefier with forged caps and stout adjusters.........of course my stock unit lasted 16+ years........... boogie drive

Come on Dom, we all know you go to the track for a couple passes like once every 2 years. laugh2
Beating on it on the street will never duplicate the traction/stress it will see at the track. Lots of weak parts can live a long life w/ no traction.



Thank you!

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567741
10/22/18 10:24 AM
10/22/18 10:24 AM
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
J
J_BODY Offline
I Live Here
J_BODY  Offline
I Live Here
J

Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 13,234
aZLiViN
Why did the factory put the dump truck rear in stick cars? I mean come on! They already had 8.75s that would fit.... and these were street cars... with tiny skinny tires!! What were they thinking!!

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2567745
10/22/18 10:36 AM
10/22/18 10:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
MR_P_BODY Offline
Master
MR_P_BODY  Offline
Master

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 52,972
Romeo MI
I ran a 8 3/4 and still do in the race car.. the
car is light but it blew the ring and I changed
to the alum center.. its had a back brace all
along.. when I built the hot rod I put a 9" in
it with a back brace and DRs.. had slicks in
the race car and a brake with 1.19 60'.. both
are still running strong
wave

Last edited by MR_P_BODY; 10/22/18 10:38 AM.
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: J_BODY] #2567800
10/22/18 12:20 PM
10/22/18 12:20 PM
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
T
Thumperdart Offline
I Live Here
Thumperdart  Offline
I Live Here
T

Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 19,318
State of confusion
Originally Posted By J_BODY
Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda
Originally Posted By Thumperdart
Been running the Dr Diff unit for 2+ years and it is awesome imo and a bit heavier but beefier with forged caps and stout adjusters.........of course my stock unit lasted 16+ years........... boogie drive

Come on Dom, we all know you go to the track for a couple passes like once every 2 years. laugh2
Beating on it on the street will never duplicate the traction/stress it will see at the track. Lots of weak parts can live a long life w/ no traction.



Thank you!


Your welcome and I will post a pic of my fat ass time slip book then you can tell me how I've only raced a couple times a year..........Don't be hatin on my quick ass n/a street car......... drumhit


72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567813
10/22/18 12:48 PM
10/22/18 12:48 PM
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319
Puyallup, WA
S
StealthWedge67 Offline
master
StealthWedge67  Offline
master
S

Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,319
Puyallup, WA
I still run the 742 8-3/4” that came with my car from the factory. After breaking a couple of sure-grip differentials, I now run a spool, along with a steel cap on the driver side, 35-spline axles, and my housing has a brace stitched onto it. My car doesn’t make power like most on this board, but I do throw more weight at mine than most, as my car crosses the scales at a solid 3870 these days. It 60’s in 1.53,the footbraking.

I know a guy here locally that runs a low10-second 67 GTX on a trans brake. He still runs an 8-3/4”. My belief is that 8-3/4’s have their place. A 9-second B-body may not be that place.

For all those that call the modifications “band-aids”; the 9” units that most run are not stock Ford units, they’re full of aftermarket stuff also. For that matter, most Dana’s in this conversations are likely S60’s outfitted with Spools, aluminum covers, and aftermarket axles.


LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: B3422W5] #2567817
10/22/18 01:01 PM
10/22/18 01:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,578
New Smyrna Beach FL
S
scottb Offline
pro stock
scottb  Offline
pro stock
S

Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,578
New Smyrna Beach FL
Don did not mention his car is a ladder bar car that will be another add expensive of switching over to the dana the hp your going to make will be fine with a new housing and axels

Re: Nodular 8.75 case , how much stronger [Re: StealthWedge67] #2567821
10/22/18 01:09 PM
10/22/18 01:09 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,897
Bend,OR USA
C
Cab_Burge Offline
I Win
Cab_Burge  Offline
I Win
C

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 43,897
Bend,OR USA
Originally Posted By StealthWedge67
For all those that call the modifications “band-aids”; the 9” units that most run are not stock Ford units, they’re full of aftermarket stuff also.:
For that matter, most Dana’s in this conversations are likely S60’s outfitted with Spools, aluminum covers, and aftermarket axles.

I agree: No stock Ford parts at all tsk work I was told by Joe Reath back in the early 1970 that their funny car, Dunn and Reath, where the test mule for the Chrisman family helping develop the Ford nine inch for drag racing. He said they where into it back then for around $2300.00 and still would put the Dana 60 back in the car to go to certain high altitude low traction tracks like in Salt Lake so they didn't have to change third members at the races due to carnage at those tracks work
As far as Dana 60 used for drag racing in some cars I normally will use a junk yard damaged Dana 60 core due to the lower price and I'm going to have them cut down and narrowed to fit and use after market spools and axles up
The truck rear ends set up properly will push by hand in the car so much easier than any 9 inch Ford equip car I have help push at the races or any where else, same thing on drag cars with 8 3/4 rear ends in them when it comes to pushing them by hand shruggy work


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4






Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1