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Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568856
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this is the only post I have on this issue.

I wish Dad was sitting here next to me so I could ask him WTH he was thinking sticking the hoses on like this

These calipers use the slider bolts,

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568857
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Well, those are what's known as "pin type" calipers so they can be 70-74 Barracuda, or Challenger (E body) calipers, or 70-72 B body calipers.
As for as the Spindles go there are 2 types that were used.
70-72 spindles have a smaller diameter, inner wheel bearing to be used accordingly with that rotor.
73-74 spindles used a larger diameter inner wheel bearing.
You would need to take off a caliper, and rotor and measure the diameter to tell what's currently on the vehicle.

Also, looking at the disc brake dust shield in your picture, it looks to be a 70-72 shield, so I'm betting on either of those years, that's whats currently on your car.

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Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568862
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Ok,

Kinda makes sense. the V code triple black 70 challenger the drive train came out of, 440 sixpac, hemi 833, and 3:54 dana all came from a 70 challenger. Long story there....

it was a gas crunch and Dad swapped a 318 and 318 drive train into a guys 70 V code and the guy paid dad for labor and they swapped drive train..

Hey the guy came to dad LOL

I would have just swapped him the green 70 challenger the 318 and parts came from lol

Soooooo, now that I know what I have, I can just order a booster and master cylinder, and get A body calipers and mounts Id expect.

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568863
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I might just turn these rotors here at work.

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568868
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Ya, you can install A body 73-76 "Slider Type" calipers onto those spindles Ok if you want too.
Your right, you would need Slider type caliper mounts, and accordingly slider type calipers.
If your going to keep calipers mounted toward the rear, your gonna need hoses to work with that swap.
People use hoses from the Aspen, and Volare cars, without any problems.
FYI, i have slider type mounts. Wanna buy a pair?

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Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568871
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I may have a set off my Demon as I put willwood on the front of it. If I cant find the mounts Ill PM you. I sent ya a PM already so we will keep in touch


thanks!

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2568875
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anyone out there have any positive or negative opinions on these

https://www.jegs.com/i/Right-Stuff/965/G800110/10002/-1?CAWELAID=230006180000985807&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=44693592161&CATCI=aud-194567928791:pla-172939165751&CATARGETID=230006180039218869&cadevice=c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIu4CC2bef3gIVSLXACh34bAjfEAQYAyABEgIJVPD_BwE

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: dragon slayer] #2569136
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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
So who makes a repopped single piece rotor for 66-69 Bendix? I have only see the rotor that requires and original hub to mate too it.


https://www.carid.com/right-stuff-detail...&url=722009

Look here.
I knew i had it filed somewhere in one of the computers that i use, but i didn't know which one, until i found it.



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Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2569177
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This is what I recommend:

New, powder-coated rear mount slider calipers, pads, hardware, flex hoses and caliper brackets $200

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2569273
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Thanks Doc...

Ill be in touch

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2569344
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I have the original stuff off of my stock disk 67 R/T. I switched it to the Master Power Brakes kit for the disc to disc conversion.. Therefore, I used the same spindles but took off the calipers and rotors. I am sure they need work and would be $$$ to ship the heavy beasts. They will sit in my garage until I sell my car and I will offer them with the car.
It was just so much more expensive at the time to rebuild them and deal with the pads and for safety preferred the new A body calipers.. Actually back then in 2009 we couldnt find anyone to rebuild them or a source for rebuilt calipers...
THe MPB kit has been great. Now 10 years later I am getting my front left caliper hanging up every now and again and it smells toxic. Need to figure that out.

Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: hemi71x] #2569397
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Originally Posted By hemi71x
Originally Posted By dragon slayer
So who makes a repopped single piece rotor for 66-69 Bendix? I have only see the rotor that requires and original hub to mate too it.


https://www.carid.com/right-stuff-detail...&url=722009

Look here.
I knew i had it filed somewhere in one of the computers that i use, but i didn't know which one, until i found it.



I think you need to look at that a little closer. Google will help. Fitment 68-74 charger; 70 to 74 E body. Clearly wrong. That is really a 70-72B and 70-74E rotor. That is the one that does not fit right when folks try to use it on a Bendix set up.

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Originally Posted By Moparnut426
I might just turn these rotors here at work.


Looking at that rotor I bet your inner disc is well below minimum which was only .94 with a disc that started at 1.

New one piece disc for the small bearing spindle are just $55 Rock Auto.

New pin type caliper for the 70-72 B/E also pretty cheap at local auto store or RA.

I had to go through all this with a 70RR.

You just need to verify which spindle you have, but if the 10.98" rotor it should be the small bearing.

70-72 Fron Disc.jpg
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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
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So who makes a repopped single piece rotor for 66-69 Bendix? I have only see the rotor that requires and original hub to mate too it.


https://www.carid.com/right-stuff-detail...&url=722009

Look here.
I knew i had it filed somewhere in one of the computers that i use, but i didn't know which one, until i found it.



I think you need to look at that a little closer. Google will help. Fitment 68-74 charger; 70 to 74 E body. Clearly wrong. That is really a 70-72B and 70-74E rotor. That is the one that does not fit right when folks try to use it on a Bendix set up.


Your most likely right.
Never personally had to research it any further, when that page first showed up, as I'm not in the market to purchase one.
Then it's advertised incorrectly.


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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
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So who makes a repopped single piece rotor for 66-69 Bendix? I have only see the rotor that requires and original hub to mate too it.


https://www.carid.com/right-stuff-detail...&url=722009

Look here.
I knew i had it filed somewhere in one of the computers that i use, but i didn't know which one, until i found it.



I think you need to look at that a little closer. Google will help. Fitment 68-74 charger; 70 to 74 E body. Clearly wrong. That is really a 70-72B and 70-74E rotor. That is the one that does not fit right when folks try to use it on a Bendix set up.


https://www.yearone.com/Product/chrysler-b-body/bn144


How about this one, sold by Year One?
Appears to be correct for fitment on the 1966-69 B body line of cars for the BENDIX disc brake system.
I knew someone has (had) these rotors, but i was confused where i saw the ads, and who is selling what, and how i bookmarked them in my computer(s)
That's my error.



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"Reproduction rotor and hub. Improved one piece design. No pulsation like original two piece rotors that expanded at different rates. Wheel studs with right hand threads already installed. Works with original Bendix or Kelsey Hayes caliper's."

I had to do research for my 69 disc b body. I separated quite a few 2 piece Bendix and KH rotors to take measurements.

I still think that one is a problem too, though I have not personally seen one. Look at the note above. Says it works with both Bendix and KH calipers. Clearly not meant to. Bendix was the 11.19 and KH 10.98. Plus height/hub differences and spindle mount surface offset. I think this may be a bastardized rotor in the middle. From what I read, folks had to turn down the inner surface to get it to work with a true 67-69 Bendix set up.

It really would be more helpful if Year one and others provided the full spec like RA does with their 70-72 Rotor.

The dura brake rotor only is made to the Bendix spec, you just have to mount the hub correctly.

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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
"Reproduction rotor and hub. Improved one piece design. No pulsation like original two piece rotors that expanded at different rates. Wheel studs with right hand threads already installed. Works with original Bendix or Kelsey Hayes caliper's."

I had to do research for my 69 disc b body. I separated quite a few 2 piece Bendix and KH rotors to take measurements.

I still think that one is a problem too, though I have not personally seen one. Look at the note above. Says it works with both Bendix and KH calipers. Clearly not meant to. Bendix was the 11.19 and KH 10.98. Plus height/hub differences and spindle mount surface offset. I think this may be a bastardized rotor in the middle. From what I read, folks had to turn down the inner surface to get it to work with a true 67-69 Bendix set up.

It really would be more helpful if Year one and others provided the full spec like RA does with their 70-72 Rotor.

The dura brake rotor only is made to the Bendix spec, you just have to mount the hub correctly.


I suspect that Year One ad has gotta be a miss statement in the description stating Kelsey Hayes calipers.

There now is a one piece rotor that's available for the 65-72 Kelsey Hayes, 4 piston disc brake system, used on the A body line of cars.

Mancini is selling them.
Check out the ad, in the link.

http://www.manciniracing.com/mbmstsmbofrp.html

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Re: 69 charger disk brake questions [Re: Moparnut426] #2569508
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There are various threads floating around the internet on the Year One rotor for Bendix brakes. Everyone seems to agree that it is a bad Chinese reproduction part. Ram Man has a video where he shows his Bendix rotor and explains why his rotor works and the Year One doesn't.

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I did a quick search yesterday and did not see any listed on ebay, other then the dura brake rotor only. I did not find ram man rotor either. His website has changed and not all sections have stuff in it. I will look a little harder.

I just imagine disc brakes for early b bodies being a new thing to mopar did not have sufficient productions numbers to justify the variety of reproduced rotors that A bodies and Later B&E did. Especially as disc became more popular.

I actually have a set of single piece KH rotors made for the 70-72 B as over the counter replacements. But Bendix rotor and calipers seem much harder to come by at swap meets and such. I did score a useable pair for my 69 as backups, and purchased the dura brake set of rotor.

For the original poster it would be pretty easy and inexpensive to get all the correct 70-72 stuff on the car since he has the 70-72 spindle most likely.

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You can tell the year of the disc brakes you have on your car by the numbers cast on the calipers.
1970 are KH80012
1971 are KH86166
If they are the 1970 calipers and you want to sell them let me know.

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