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Re: Pushrod stiffness [Re: polyspheric] #2569661
10/26/18 10:19 AM
10/26/18 10:19 AM
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We have a couple spintrons. You would be surprised at high RPM how much they flex. Even larger diameter, heavy wall push rods still flex some but will make more power with stability.


1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute
1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack
1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi
1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL
1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383
1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4
2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4
2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
Re: Pushrod stiffness [Re: polyspheric] #2569807
10/26/18 04:35 PM
10/26/18 04:35 PM
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If you have a clean sheet of paper, you can design something in that addresses the problem. This was not understood even in 1970.
The LS inherited some dims and tooling from the SBC (pitch) but moved toward valve train stability while retaining original 1949 Oldsmobile and Cadillac OHV theory (pushrod, parallel valve, wedge). Chrysler and Ford made a more expensive and complex product to do the same thing: reliable high RPM operation.
GM moved the cam tunnel up, so that the pushrods do two things differently:
1. closer to horizontal (as are tappet openings, and rocker levers)
2. shorter

Pushrod length is also critical to stiffness, except generally there's nothing you can do about it. But sometimes...
Assuming that the inserted ends are each (roughly) .500" long, an RB pushrod at 8.905" (HT: 440 Source) is .750" longer than a B pushrod, with the unsupported tubes (roughly) 7.905" and 7.155". Using 3/8" X .100" wall to limit variables, the stiffness in compression is also highly sensitive to length.
RB 8,426Ω
B 11,897Ω
The otherwise identical B pushrod is 41% stiffer (and lighter).
This will also follow with any engine family with multiple deck heights:
Windsor (4 different)
Rocket and late Oldsmobile
BBC
Nailhead
Chevy Gen-3 L6
Ford big L6
Ford small L6
Gen-1 hemis (all 3 families)
Pontiac
Slant 6


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