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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: 65 Hemi] #2565837
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I don't like towing with a trailer. I have an open trailer(budgetary constraints). I've looked at all the permutations and a truck with a trailer is the only solution other than flat towing(remember those MW free towing hubs, I love them). Maintenance on a box truck as a hauler is much more expensive. The gas and insurance and the local or state police looking for $omething($). They are easier to park and they are easier on the road since you don't have that trailer behind you and idiots all around you. And of course it is a dedicated vehicle. You can unhook a trailer and then pick up a washer or parts or whatever.

Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: theraif] #2565903
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Originally Posted By theraif
same here thought it would be cool to make one of these into a hauler


But the U hauls do not have flat floors, they have internal wheel wells, and they are IMO kinda of sissy trucks? Not sure what the real advantage is.


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Linky -> Bill Jenkins car hauler box truck on bring a trailer in 2007

I believe this was also owned by Steve Snyder of Elkhart Indiana at one time and used to haul his 62 Pontiac Catalina.


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Probably 24" from the ground and it drops another 10. The wheelwells are only 5" tall. Lower shorter ramps.

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What is the disadvantage of just using a 4400# lift gate for the car and a walk through door on the side?


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The further you have the deck out in-order to have your car sit on it the load on the hydraulics will exceed the lift capability.

Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: 65 Hemi] #2596868
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I got my box truck/hauler home after a 1500 mile drive. It’s a little under powered with a 5.9 Cummins but some 75hp injectors will help. It drove like a dream and for $20k I couldn’t replace my enclosed trailer for the price. Hopefully now the lift gate will lift my car. It’s a 4400# lift gate but 1/2 the car will be on extended ramps!

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1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor
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A just drove a mid 70's 400 sbc enclosed car hauler. They are all stick and the ratio spread of the trans is horrible. Hard to get up to speed and 60 mph is the max. I've been in the $250 K haulers, 75 mph, and after that I never wanted to pull a trailer. Reality check...I don't have that kind of money. There has to be some kind of happy medium.

Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: topside] #2596910
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Originally Posted By topside
It's a tempting idea, but the Oleyniks we used had beavertails and much lower rear sill (floor) height; yet the ramps still had to be at least 8 feet long and positively lock into the sill.
Very tough deal to modify the rear rails & floor to make a beavertail out of a "normal" box truck.
I've seen some moving vans that sit lower, but still iffy on load height and then there's the wheelwells.
Medium-duty truck maintenance is not like working on a pickup; stuff might last longer, but it's half again as large and seems like triple the weight!
We'd get a million miles or so out of a GMC 6500, but any wheel/tire/suspension/brake/drivetrain maintenance was a back-breaker.

Yes,the Oleyniks built most of the haulers back in the day including the 77 S&M hauler now owned by a close friend.The 413 has been replaced with a Cummings out of a pickup along with the dash being grafted into the cab.The 2 speed rear is disconnected but I could not keep up to it with my 2010 Hino rollback.So maybe more boost or a gear change could help that issue.
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: 65 Hemi] #2596919
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I think you're going to be disappointed with that lift gate plan. Take a look at how the gate works on a stacker trailer as that's where you're going to end up I think.

The rest of the plan sounds good. If Texas won't let you register it as a motorhome after the required components are installed and I seriously doubt they won't, find a state that will.

What year is the truck? Those 75 hp injectors are usually a 12 Valve deal which is 98 and older. If it's got a common rail injected engine, 2003 or newer IIRC, more power is a Bullydog tuner or preferred brand away. No hardware changes unless you're planning to get silly. The 98.5 - 2002 24V with the VP44 pump doesn't have as much tuner support but 75-100 hp can be had with an Edge EZ box and no hardware changes.

What trans and rear axle ratio?

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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: A/MP] #2596923
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This was $20k and I figured I may have another $15k in when I’m done with bathroom and kitchenette, insulation and AC.


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1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads,
1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E
1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor
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Re: Using a box truck as a race car hauler??? [Re: Twostick] #2596925
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It’s a 2000. There are a lot of injector choices out there and I still may go with a tuner. I may need to get creative with the lift gate .
Originally Posted By Twostick
I think you're going to be disappointed with that lift gate plan. Take a look at how the gate works on a stacker trailer as that's where you're going to end up I think.

The rest of the plan sounds good. If Texas won't let you register it as a motorhome after the required components are installed and I seriously doubt they won't, find a state that will.

What year is the truck? Those 75 hp injectors are usually a 12 Valve deal which is 98 and older. If it's got a common rail injected engine, 2003 or newer IIRC, more power is a Bullydog tuner or preferred brand away. No hardware changes unless you're planning to get silly. The 98.5 - 2002 24V with the VP44 pump doesn't have as much tuner support but 75-100 hp can be had with an Edge EZ box and no hardware changes.

What trans and rear axle ratio?

Kevin


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1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas
1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads,
1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E
1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor
Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Do be cautious with the liftgate idea. With all due respect, I'd suggest some professional advice to determine if it would be cost effective, if even safely possible.

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Neat truck but, I think you are going to run into problems with your plan


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What's the actual weight of your car? I think the liftgate issue is the weakest part of your plan. I work on a number of those things, and they're designed for load center much shorter(closer to the truck) than a car. Pallets and the like.

Is it air ride? I would look at ramps, as opposed to the liftgate unless your car is under 3000lbs or so, you're just asking for catastrophic fail otherwise. S/F....Ken M

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Thanks for all the input. Worse case I have a line of a full lift gate made to lift car. We will see how it all goes... Maybe I should test it with my wife’s car when she is not home. Lol 😂


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1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads,
1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E
1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor
Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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Originally Posted By 65 Hemi
Maybe I should test it with my wife’s car when she is not home. Lol 😂


THERE'S an idea!!! Lol

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Does it have a Jake Brake on the truck now? If not I would add it for safely stopping it up twocents
I agree on not using that lift gate to support the car while traveling tsk
I've owned and used a bunch of different car trailesr and car hauler trucks from one ton crew cabs with open beds and ramps to a early Dodge D500 with a flat head six and a two speed rear axle that ended up with a 392 Hemi in it, which helped that old rascal a bunch up
I wrecked (totaled) a friends car on a borrowed open trailer that total the Hemi GTX NHRA stocker and hurt the trailer and my 1/2 ton Ford pickup due to not having enough stopping power to avoid a dog running out in front of the truck on the way to the races, the dog got hung up the right front wheel well and jerk the steering wheel out of my hand which resulted in jack knifing the car and trailer whiney Multiple mistakes compounded and ruined our day shruggy
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Originally Posted By jcc
Originally Posted By theraif
same here thought it would be cool to make one of these into a hauler


But the U hauls do not have flat floors, they have internal wheel wells, and they are IMO kinda of sissy trucks? Not sure what the real advantage is.


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you would just build ramps over the wheel wells. Saw that in a hauler that Mr. 4 Speed Herb McCandless had back in 72 for his Pro Stock Demon. The car was not hauled Flat, It was on a tilt like on an open Ramp Truck.


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I will be putting a jake brake on it. It does have new brakes and drums all the way around and the brakes are air brakes. Safety will always be first. I will always own a newer 3/4 or 1 ton truck. I have a new 3500 dually with 1500 miles on it to tow if needed. I really bought the truck because I think it will be cool/convenient when done. To be honest with all my time being taken with businesses and with young kids I may not race for a few years anyways. It will be fun to tinker on and make just the way I want it when time allows.


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1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas
1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads,
1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E
1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor
Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!
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