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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Old School] #2560372
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Been to the Outer Banks 4 times but have never seen it like that!! up Bucket list item for us. beer

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560377
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Originally Posted By Challenger 1
Very nice!! Great cars and plane!! bow
I have been wanting to get one of my E bodys down to the hanger. I have high wing plane= room for a car! It is getting stored there this winter and been wanting a photo opp too. LOL

Nice deal you have there!! A year ago I would have never guessed I would be flying my own plane. Been flying it since April this year for a friend and bought it in July when I updated the panel.


I knew you weren't gonna be able to resist buying your own plane! up


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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560381
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I suggest you get into IMC as often as you can in your IFR training, I didn't get to do that much by taking my training in Phoenix, AZ. thumbs whiney
Also keep current once you get that rating wrench grin

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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: markz528] #2560386
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Originally Posted By markz528


I knew you weren't gonna be able to resist buying your own plane! up


It is Dick Weinle old plane. I was real nervous at first about flying it since it has sat for many years. But after 4 months of test flights and a annual that I helped with, it convinced me that it was a solid airplane to buy and he was willing to sell it. It is a 1980 with 1416 total hours when I bought it. I have put 82 hours on it since April. Plus I have flown some time in school planes earlier this year. Ate up with flying.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Cab_Burge] #2560387
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Originally Posted By Cab_Burge
I suggest you get into IMC as often as you can in your IFR training, I didn't get to do that much by taking my training in Phoenix,AZ. thumbs whiney
Also keep current one you get that rating


iagree
My instructor said the same thing. I have 32 hours so far and only about 3 hours were under real IMC. I flew my long XC last week under the hood with my CFI, chapter 24 out of 26 in the syllabus.
I need a few more hours XC so I have been flying a lot here lately.

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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560444
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Originally Posted By Challenger 1
Originally Posted By markz528


I knew you weren't gonna be able to resist buying your own plane! up


It is Dick Weinle old plane. I was real nervous at first about flying it since it has sat for many years. But after 4 months of test flights and a annual that I helped with, it convinced me that it was a solid airplane to buy and he was willing to sell it. It is a 1980 with 1416 total hours when I bought it. I have put 82 hours on it since April. Plus I have flown some time in school planes earlier this year. Ate up with flying.


Awesome!


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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560482
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That sounds like a really good airplane, Is it a 172 or 182?


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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560490
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Originally Posted By Challenger 1
Filling her with the good stuff!

Been IFR training in this plane hard, try to fly twice a week with my CFI.


You have some nice avionics. 2 G-5's, 650 and looks like a gtx 345 for ads-b. I been installing alot of those recently. This 2020 mandate for ads-b upgrade is starting to pick up and we have a waiting list now for install.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Twin Turbo Mower] #2560520
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Originally Posted By Twin Turbo Mower
Originally Posted By Challenger 1
Filling her with the good stuff!

Been IFR training in this plane hard, try to fly twice a week with my CFI.


You have some nice avionics. 2 G-5's, 650 and looks like a gtx 345 for ads-b. I been installing alot of those recently. This 2020 mandate for ads-b upgrade is starting to pick up and we have a waiting list now for install.


Thank you...also a flight stream 510. Updates right off my Ipad and bluetooth flight planing transfers. With the 345 no more strautus2 stuck to my window for ADS-B in.
I did make a mistake by trying to save money by reusing the old 385 as my Com/nav2. It was working as my com1 but now is not working very well. It is going back hopefully next week to get a garmin 255 as my com/nav2 with a new indicator. Crazy money!! spank realcrazy

My avionics shop is busy too. It took 3 months for me to get my plane in the first time.

I want a GFC500 too, and they can not do that until next February.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560542
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Yeah I have installed a few gnc 255's as well with a 106b indicator. We have a Bonanza waiting for a GFC500 as well. It is crazy money.

How many hours did they quote you for the GFC500 install?

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Twin Turbo Mower] #2560545
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Originally Posted By Twin Turbo Mower


How many hours did they quote you for the GFC500 install?


65 hours... does that sound right?

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Challenger 1] #2560593
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65 hours sounds pretty good. The Bonanza will be my first GFC500 so I was just curious. I have heard of other shops having about 100 hours into one.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Cab_Burge] #2560608
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Thanks Cab and Challenger, up

We run Nostalgia S/S so E85 is out. $4 - $5 a gallon is a lot better than $8 - 11 for Supreme and Maximal. shruggy

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: MattW] #2560762
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Ran 100LL in a 12.5:1 440 for a few years and never had any problems. Ran just as good on VP 110. Local guy ran it for years in a 14:1 BB Chevy while spraying 2 stages of nitrous. I wouldn't necessarily recommend that, but it worked for him.

Always amazes me at the comments made about running this stuff in cars.


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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2560848
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Thanks for the info.
Seems like av gas is better than sunoco 260 gt.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: MattW] #2560898
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I was told early on that the two numbers used on the old aviation fuel was that the lower number was in the rich condition and the higher number was when you leaned the motors out confused
Also all the 100 LL I've tested the specific gravity on was right at 690, never near 698 or higher shruggy
The race gas I use to use was from 720 to 745, depending on the brand and type of fuel shruggy


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Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: MattW] #2560934
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I'm sorry Cab, its the other way around.
Here's an article from a former Shell fuels guy about some of the testing done real motors as well as the standard lab tests.
https://generalaviationnews.com/2015/03/24/testing-the-octane-rating-of-aviation-fuel/

And a general article on Avgas characteristics with links to references.
https://www.experimentalaircraft.info/homebuilt-aircraft/aviation-fuel.php
They claim all traditional Avgas has (had) a density around .719 g/L at 15*C (59*F). shruggy

Its interesting that BP's pamphlet on UL91 states its Motor Octane number is 91 and that it has a research octane number of 96. That would be an anti-knock index of 93.5
It seems odd that the rich mixture rating isn't given, but maybe thats not a requirement for aircraft that have an STC for 91UL.
Unleaded UL91 pdf

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: MattW] #2560935
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Originally Posted By MattW
Thanks for the info.
Seems like av gas is better than sunoco 260 gt.

Depends on the application and goals.

Re: Aviation fuel vs Sunoco 260 gt [Re: Mattax] #2560973
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Originally Posted By Mattax
Originally Posted By MattW
Thanks for the info.
Seems like av gas is better than sunoco 260 gt.

Depends on the application and goals.


This is right, what is the application?

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Thanks for sharing up
So much for listening, believing and repeating in hearsay from the airport tsk blush

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