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Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
#254881
03/15/09 06:41 PM
03/15/09 06:41 PM
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Glendale, AZ
69L78Nova
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Took the 68 Barracuda to the track today. Something isnt right. The basics of the combo are a 360, Edelbrock RPM 65cc heads (OOTB), 11.2:1, 292/509 cam, Weiand X-celerator, 750DP, Hooker 1 5/8" headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, Holley Blue pump (still running 5/16" line), 4-speed, 4.10 SG on 275/60-15DR's. The car was hooking fine launching at 4800 rpm. Ill list the details of the timeslip below...
60'---1.841
330'---5.374
1/8---8.408
1/8 MPH---82.98
1000'---10.912
1000' MPH---95.00
1/4 ET---13.125
1/4 MPH---106.03
That was the best run of the day. I made a total of 6 passes and each one got slower and slower.
The only thing I changed was I went from a Action Plus to the X-celerator manifold, and installed a new timing set. It sounds like a stupid question, but could I have installed the timing set a tooth off or something or could it be running out of fuel on the top end because of the 5/16" line? It has 3-5in of vacuum at 900-1000rpm. It just seems lazy. It wont even break the tires loose in first gear on the street. Anyone have any ideas? I figured this thing would run way better than what it did.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
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03/15/09 08:00 PM
03/15/09 08:00 PM
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You can cut the timing back 3-4 degrees, but it's not gonna help you out much. You need atleast a 3/8" fuel line - and thats out of the tank. To run in the low to mid 12"s, which is where you should be running, your fuel pump should be able to fill a one gallon can in about 30 seconds - minimum - and thats measured from where the fuel line connects to the carb. Forget what the pump MFG. tells you. You need to actually check it to be sure. Your 60 foot times are off about a tenth and 1/2 also, indicating you have a traction problem.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
[Re: Crizila]
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03/15/09 08:05 PM
03/15/09 08:05 PM
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You also have engine issues with only 3-5 " of vacuum at idle. You should have atleast 12" @ idle with your combo. Sounds like you have a pretty hefty vacuum leak somewhere.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
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#254888
03/15/09 08:10 PM
03/15/09 08:10 PM
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Kirkland, Washington
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You can cut the timing back 3-4 degrees, but it's not gonna help you out much. You need atleast a 3/8" fuel line - and thats out of the tank. To run in the low to mid 12"s, which is where you should be running, your fuel pump should be able to fill a one gallon can in about 30 seconds - minimum - and thats measured from where the fuel line connects to the carb. Forget what the pump MFG. tells you. You need to actually check it to be sure. Your 60 foot times are off about a tenth and 1/2 also, indicating you have a traction problem.
He has a traction problem alright! He states above that he can't even break em loose in first on the street! The fuel line is the last of his worries. Degree/advance the cam, make sure no vacuum leak.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
[Re: 69L78Nova]
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03/15/09 08:38 PM
03/15/09 08:38 PM
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Just checked vacuum at idle again. Was around 3-4in at 900rpm. Cranking compression was 140 across all 8
Do you know what your vacuum was BEFORE the timing chain swap???
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
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#254892
03/15/09 08:41 PM
03/15/09 08:41 PM
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So Cal
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You can cut the timing back 3-4 degrees, but it's not gonna help you out much. You need atleast a 3/8" fuel line - and thats out of the tank. To run in the low to mid 12"s, which is where you should be running, your fuel pump should be able to fill a one gallon can in about 30 seconds - minimum - and thats measured from where the fuel line connects to the carb. Forget what the pump MFG. tells you. You need to actually check it to be sure. Your 60 foot times are off about a tenth and 1/2 also, indicating you have a traction problem.
He has a traction problem alright! He states above that he can't even break em loose in first on the street! The fuel line is the last of his worries. Degree/advance the cam, make sure no vacuum leak.
I agree, check for vauum leaks, and degree cam.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!!!
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03/15/09 08:44 PM
03/15/09 08:44 PM
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The only thing I changed was I went from a Action Plus to the X-celerator manifold, and installed a new timing set.
Some gear sets have been known to be drilled incorrectly.
You never mention what you ran before.
Is it possible you bent a valve, changing the timing set? Did you turn the crank when the cam gear was off?
Last edited by HealthServices; 03/15/09 08:46 PM.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!
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03/15/09 10:31 PM
03/15/09 10:31 PM
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I'm running a 260/266 @ .050" cam and I've got 6 1/2" of vac. As mentioned, I'd degree the cam first [ EDIT: set the timing] then check for vac leaks. 
Last edited by 64Post; 03/15/09 10:54 PM.
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Re: Just returned from the track....Something is wrong!
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03/15/09 11:24 PM
03/15/09 11:24 PM
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After you get the cam gear straighten out, do a leak down. Just to make sure you did not kiss a valve in the past.
Allen
Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first.
Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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