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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2543756
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How are you guys getting a 4-row core to fit into a 956 rad, did the tanks have to be split? Reason I ask, is glen-ray told me they don't fit and to get a MAX cool three row. My local rad guy said the same thing. I just had mine recored last week

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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Cuda340] #2543841
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Had no problem with mine,no modifications to tank,everything fit.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2543939
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Why do many guys think a car is overheating at 210 degree? If it doesn't spit out water and or act up 210 is fine esp on a 100 degree day. I just don't see their reasoning Unless you are racing or stuck somewhere quit worrying about it

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #2543948
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And my 2014 Suburban once up to temp runs at exactly 200* and never varies no matter the conditions.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Paul_Fancsali] #2544039
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Originally Posted By Paul_Fancsali
Why do many guys think a car is overheating at 210 degree? If it doesn't spit out water and or act up 210 is fine esp on a 100 degree day. I just don't see their reasoning Unless you are racing or stuck somewhere quit worrying about it
I agree 210 is not hot,with coolant and a good cap you're fine.if it overflows the owners man.says level 1 inch below neck.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: 1970A13] #2544080
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Since this is a wing car with not generous air coming in grille, I will ad a chev dealer experience from mid eighties to mid nineties. The v-8 camaros sometimes came in with highway hot running issues, and we found it was usually the cars with 4 bolt-plastic lower air dams broken off or removed that caused it. Plain as day. On them things, it was an important component from factory. Don't think birds or daytonas are equipped with such a thing, just saying.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: buildanother] #2544150
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Have you checked to see what water pump you have on big differences in them. anti cav plated best
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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: rickseeman] #2544198
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Originally Posted By rickseeman
I think distilled water is expensive, inconvenient and unnecessary.


It's 94 cents a gallon at Walmart. How cheap are you?

How often do you replace your coolant? Weekly? How inconvenient can it really be?

If you saw the mineral content in the tap water around here you'd change you thoughts.

What do you think the antifreeze makers put in their prediluted mixes? It ain't tap water.


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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2544216
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Originally Posted By Luis Zavala
So I bought a Superbird about two months back and it was overheating a little so It turned out the radiator had a small leak and when I drained it to inspect it had gunk clogging it up. I sent it out to get a new cooler 4 row core and should be ready for pick up in the next hour or two.

I also researched and found a lot of reccimendations to use the following:
“50/50 mix of water/antifreeze,....again I'll recommend the Zerex G-05 brand antifreeze (just 1 gal. the rest water, should be close to 50/50) with 8-10 oz. of Redline Water Wetter added,(Autozone).”

Would that be the best to use? If so then for the water mix would it be regular water or would it have to be distilled?


I would only run 25% antifreeze. You live in So Cal LA area and it never comes close to freezeing water in an engine. Antifreeze does not remove heat as good as water.

Also did you get a high density core put in the radiator. Radiator Works on Parthenia near Reseda does my radiators.

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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: 4406bbl] #2544230
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Originally Posted By 4406bbl
Originally Posted By Luis Zavala
So I bought a Superbird about two months back and it was overheating a little so It turned out the radiator had a small leak and when I drained it to inspect it had gunk clogging it up. I sent it out to get a new cooler 4 row core and should be ready for pick up in the next hour or two.

I also researched and found a lot of reccimendations to use the following:
“50/50 mix of water/antifreeze,....again I'll recommend the Zerex G-05 brand antifreeze (just 1 gal. the rest water, should be close to 50/50) with 8-10 oz. of Redline Water Wetter added,(Autozone).”

Would that be the best to use? If so then for the water mix would it be regular water or would it have to be distilled?


I would suggest if you found gunk in the radiator and that gunk included fine rust, pull the starter, knock the frost plugs out, pull water pump housing and flush that block out. These cars sit so much they rust in the water jackets even if antifeeze is green. Just did my own sbird block was full halfway up frostplugs, never ran hot, always had green antifreeze.




Great idea. I’ve cleaned my block with picks, coat hangers, etc...no cooling problem.

A car like a Superbird sits around not driven a lot. Perfect situation for sediment and rust.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: autoxcuda] #2544233
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is that GO-5 the orange stuff? I thought that was to be avoided ???


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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2544361
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An even better waterpump design is one with curved blades for more efficient flow. I used this Edelbrock 8814 pump on my Superbird along with a 4 core rad and high flow thermostat and fixed fan blade. never had an overheat problem.


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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: RealWing] #2544369
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Seems like many wing car owners that drive them run a solid fixed fan setup.

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: RapidRobert] #2544379
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Originally Posted By RapidRobert
is that GO-5 the orange stuff? I thought that was to be avoided ???


No your thinking of Dex cool (orange death) Robert, G-05 (Zerex) is a HOAT ( hybrid Organic acid technology), although Dex Cool is a HOAT as well it has a phosphate base, where as Zerex G-05 is phosphate free...and is actually clear in color

I've been running the G-05 for about 15 yrs in my DD's and the toys with zero issues using a 50/50 mix and Red Line water wetter

Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: DAYCLONA] #2544384
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Thank you! when I read "orange" that is what I remembered (erroneously) from way back. EDIT would you recommend this over the Prestone (iirc) green stuff?

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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: RapidRobert] #2544642
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Originally Posted By RapidRobert
Thank you! when I read "orange" that is what I remembered (erroneously) from way back. EDIT would you recommend this over the Prestone (iirc) green stuff?


i know the best "orange" stuff is ok, but i can't feel comfortable using it ! i gotta have green stuff to put my mind at ease. now, if they would only make long "life green", i would be in "seventh heaven" as the saying goes.
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Originally Posted By moparx
Originally Posted By RapidRobert
Thank you! when I read "orange" that is what I remembered (erroneously) from way back. EDIT would you recommend this over the Prestone (iirc) green stuff?


i know the best "orange" stuff is ok, but i can't feel comfortable using it ! i gotta have green stuff to put my mind at ease. now, if they would only make long "life green", i would be in "seventh heaven" as the saying goes.
beer



I've used the "best ORANGE STUFF", on a fresh/new system, all new components, within 1 yr the radiator turned to junk (aluminum), the heater core clogged and a head gasket went,...never again! GM continues to use this in their vehicles yet customer after customer complains about corrosion/clogging issues, if you want a long term antifreeze equivalent to "green", use the Zerex G-05, it's a 5 yr rating, but myself I don't like to see antifreeze go past 2 yrs in a system before a flush

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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2544860
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OK, I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I am literally an anti-freeze scientist (seriously).
1. Use distilled water - most of what you see as "sludge/gunk" inside your cooling system is from previous owners using tap water (well water is the worst). The water evaporates & the minerals in the water coat the inside of your cooling system.
2. Water cools better than antifreeze (normally ethylene glycol) because water has better heat transfer. You should run the most water / least antifreeze for the coldest day of the year in your area (wind chill doesn't count). The only downside of water is that it freezes.
3. Water Wetter is simply the "corrosion inhibitor package" of antifreeze (similar to Dexcool) + a touch of ethylene glycol. It does NOT make your engine cooler just by adding to your 50/50 coolant. It DOES allow you to run straight distilled water, which DOES make your engine run cooler.
4. The color of antifreeze means nothing.
5. The closest formula to the original Mopar coolant is "Peak Green" (the name of the antifreeze, not just the color). Most green-colored Peak antifreeze is Dexcool with green dye. (which is also fine to run, fyi)
6. If you do run more water (e.g. 70/30 or just distilled water instead of 50/50), the DO use Water Wetter (iron heads) or Lucas Super Coolant / Royal Purple's Purple Ice (aluminum heads). Hyper Cool is "snake oil".
7. Do not mix your brands of anti-freeze (regardless if they're the same color). Some "green" anti-freeze doesn't mix well with other "green" ant-freeze.

8. Side note - Evans will make your car run hot. If you insist on running "waterless" antifreeze (Evans does have water in it), then just run DexCool concentrate...nearly identical formulas. I don't recommend either without the water personally.

Oh yeah, and make SURE your engine block, body & frame are all grounded very well to each other to avoid "electrolysis". If your ground wires get corroded, the electricity will flow through your coolant and cause corrosion.

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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: PurpleBeeper] #2544914
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Originally Posted By PurpleBeeper
OK, I don't mean any offense to anyone, but I am literally an anti-freeze scientist (seriously).
1. Use distilled water - most of what you see as "sludge/gunk" inside your cooling system is from previous owners using tap water (well water is the worst). The water evaporates & the minerals in the water coat the inside of your cooling system.
2. Water cools better than antifreeze (normally ethylene glycol) because water has better heat transfer. You should run the most water / least antifreeze for the coldest day of the year in your area (wind chill doesn't count). The only downside of water is that it freezes.
3. Water Wetter is simply the "corrosion inhibitor package" of antifreeze (similar to Dexcool) + a touch of ethylene glycol. It does NOT make your engine cooler just by adding to your 50/50 coolant. It DOES allow you to run straight distilled water, which DOES make your engine run cooler.
4. The color of antifreeze means nothing.
5. The closest formula to the original Mopar coolant is "Peak Green" (the name of the antifreeze, not just the color). Most green-colored Peak antifreeze is Dexcool with green dye. (which is also fine to run, fyi)
6. If you do run more water (e.g. 70/30 or just distilled water instead of 50/50), the DO use Water Wetter (iron heads) or Lucas Super Coolant / Royal Purple's Purple Ice (aluminum heads). Hyper Cool is "snake oil".
7. Do not mix your brands of anti-freeze (regardless if they're the same color). Some "green" anti-freeze doesn't mix well with other "green" ant-freeze.

8. Side note - Evans will make your car run hot. If you insist on running "waterless" antifreeze (Evans does have water in it), then just run DexCool concentrate...nearly identical formulas. I don't recommend either without the water personally.

Oh yeah, and make SURE your engine block, body & frame are all grounded very well to each other to avoid "electrolysis". If your ground wires get corroded, the electricity will flow through your coolant and cause corrosion.


Thank you !!





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Re: How to keep Superbird from overheating? [Re: Luis Zavala] #2544919
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Just a suggestion but I’m betting if you would drill about 10-12 three inch holes in that funky looking nosepiece they have on them it would run a lot cooler. Just a thought 💭


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