Re: Highway and 3.91's
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As to the limp wrist comment, why do you think all the performance cars have overdrive transmissions now?
Because all you limp wrists cried about the noise. Here's a clue. MoPar had OD trans in the 40's. Not like it's something new.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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08/18/18 12:57 AM
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As to the limp wrist comment, why do you think all the performance cars have overdrive transmissions now?
Because all you limp wrists cried about the noise. Thats a negatory there Ghostrider. Reduced RPM @ cruise equates to lowered emissions and improved mileage every. single. time. Overdrive has been enhanced with lockup convertors for the same reasons.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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08/18/18 01:53 AM
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so keep the stock 391 and trailer it?
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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As to the limp wrist comment, why do you think all the performance cars have overdrive transmissions now?
Because all you limp wrists cried about the noise. Thats a negatory there Ghostrider. Reduced RPM @ cruise equates to lowered emissions and improved mileage every. single. time. Overdrive has been enhanced with lockup convertors for the same reasons. And not one limp wrist cried about worse mileage and emissions. The cried about "the engine screaming as you tootle along in the right lane getting passed".
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question. They say there is always the exception that proves the rule. Don't be the exception.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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Engines also wore out faster before overdrive.
The stock 318 in the D100 I mentioned before would not keep up with traffic with the pedal to the floor.
1970 Dodge d100/eventually going on a 77 D100 frame
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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08/18/18 10:18 AM
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My first 69 SuperBee had 3.91s back in '74 and 3.91s have been my go-to gears ever since. Even today, my Cuda has 3.91s. But now, it also has a 518. So blasting down the hiway at 75 or so is no big deal......for me or the car.
3.91s are a lot of fun but are very hard on the engine on the hiway. I have popped more than one big block screaming down the hiway. But that was back when these cars were disposable and I could go to the local wrecking yard and pick up another 440, swap my parts to it, and go beat on it some more.
Today, blocks and stuff are harder to find, more expensive, and I am older and lazier. So, no 3,000 or 4,000 RPM screaming down the hiway for my stuff anymore. It may take it.....for awhile. But there is no doubt that it is hard on the engine. And we have choices now that we didn't have then. We can enjoy 3.91s and have reasonable engine speed on the hiway. Kinda like having your cake and eating it, too.
It's 2018, not 1974.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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Engines also wore out faster before overdrive.
The stock 318 in the D100 I mentioned before would not keep up with traffic with the pedal to the floor. lol, that wasn't it's job. Imagine that same ride with a /6. Wee. As for wearing out faster, more likely it had to do with the rings used and the oil formulations than OD. I still have the 318 out of my 87 Diplomat, 200k+ miles, bores look pristine. Moly rings, good oils, regular maintenance. No OD. back in the musclecar days, well oils sucked and cast iron rings.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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If you are taking the time to ask then I believe you would be happier with 3:55. I had an E body with 440, 29.5" tall rear tires and 4:10s. I was not happy on the highway. Holding everyone up in the right lane.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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I ran 4.10's for years in my wagon with 28" tires. I finally had enough of slow lane cruising and the engine singing above 3k. I swapped in 3.55's and my only question was why didnt I do it sooner! It made driving everywhere much more enjoyable. Granted, it did also have a healthy BB stroker, so still plenty of tire roasting at will . But w the 3.55s, I could actually keep up with the majority of highway traffic for once, without buzzin the heck out of it. Prior to the 4.10s I had a Charger with 4.56's, and yes I see the pattern of gear ratio change with my age .
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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That was my first thought. Approximately 10% difference. Not worth it in my opinion. There is no gear ratio available that will allow you to cruise at 1500-2000 RPM like you are used to in modern cars with 2 overdrives and lockup converters. Back in the late 60's early 70's many muscle cars from Ford. GM. and Mopar came with 4.10 gears and 26" tires. However a 383 Fury Wagon was not then, is not now a muscle car. It probably had a 2.93 originally. People drive faster now than in 1967. with a 2.93 gear at 75 mph the RPM will be 3000 plus but with no tach and a quiet exhaust system who noticed? 3000 RPM is not going to hurt a 383 unless it is already hurt. The way I see it a 2.93, much less a 3.55 will not get you were you want to be. Several people have suggested an overdrive transmission. That is the only way you are going to cruise at 70-80 MPH at comfortably low rpms. ME? 4.30s with 28" tires. Has only been on the interstate longer than 10 minutes at a time once in 20 years. If I ever get around to switching to a Dana it will probably get a 4.10.
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Re: Highway and 3.91's
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08/18/18 11:17 PM
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Got 4.30's in my Charger and they're fine cruising around 70mph. People magically move over when I come up behind them for some reason. Still, in the next few years I'll build a 400 based stroker and swap in my 3.91 pig. I think that will do for anything less than a cross country tour. YMMV...….
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