Truck not performing as expected. Need help! Update
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I just got my truck running after a head swap and header change and made it out to Milan on Sat. Listed below is the combo with before and after times. Old combo 88 D100 10.5:1. 493 850 demon carb Indy dual plane 346 heads with 2.14 in. 1.81 ex., mild bowl work and gasket match 1-3/4 headers Comp xe294 hydraulic cam Comp 1.5 roller rockers Performer rpm fuel pump -8an lines from cell to pump 3/8 lines from pump to carb Manual valve body 727 Converter flashes to about 3000 rpm 4.10 8-3/4 295/65r15 drag radials Best time 12.10 and 110mph @ about 3800lbs. 1.68 60ft New combo is the same but with sidewinder heads with bowl work and gasket match by Marsh Performance, 2” primary headers, 3-1/2” collectors. Best time 11.98 and 110mph @ about 3650-3700lbs. I will be putting the truck on scales tomorrow. 1.65 60ft I thought the weight decrease alone would have put me into the 11’s and I thought I should have gained at least a little mph. The only thing I can think of is maybe the fuel filter doesn’t flow enough to keep up. I also have a porter .600 lift 266 @ .50 solid flat tappet can to install also but I was trying to wait to finish my Dana 60 and get a new converter. What do you guys think? Was I crazy to expect 11.60’s out of this combo?
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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What was the weather previously? Its been pretty brutal here this week. 300 flash stall is pretty tight. Doug The previous temp was probably about 70. It was about 80 degrees last Saturday.
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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It seems to me that I am losing about 100hp somewhere.
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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Pretty much agree w/ everyone else...the weather likely had a lot to do w/ it. I'd bet it'd be at least a tenth quicker in the same weather you ran the 12.10 in previously. The new cam along w/ a looser converter will def. wake it up.
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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I wouldn’t be surprised if the lifters are giving up at whatever rpm 110mph is.
I’d schedule a few pulls on a local chassis dyno.
The 60’ is soft if you’re looking to get into that mid-11 zone.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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It will be going on the scales at work tonight. I will update later. Hopefully I can get out to the track in a week or two to verify I am getting enough fuel. If I am, do you guys think putting the new cam in before I get the converter will hurt performance at the track?
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Nothing of a technical nature to add, but damn, I love that truck. That's bad ass.
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Nothing of a technical nature to add, but damn, I love that truck. That's bad ass. That thing is super cool. If you decide to go the chassis dyno route, Jake's has a pretty nice one + alot of experience to go with it.
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Re: Truck not performing as expected. Need help!
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The new cam and the 3000 stall won’t play very well together.
In fact, I wouldn’t consider the current 250@.050 hyd cam and the 3000 converter to be a very good match.
I’m sure that’s a lot(most?) of why the 60’ is a bit soft.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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A lightweight!
I think the weather had to contribute a decent amount, and will agree with the others that the converter is too tight.
I have a similar mild 493 in my Plymouth, the 9.5" converter flashes to ~4400. Even the old off the shelf 10" "3000 stall" flashed to ~4k. I normally run 3.55's and a 28" tire and weigh 3700 lb at the line.
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A lightweight!
I think the weather had to contribute a decent amount, and will agree with the others that the converter is too tight.
I have a similar mild 493 in my Plymouth, the 9.5" converter flashes to ~4400. Even the old off the shelf 10" "3000 stall" flashed to ~4k. I normally run 3.55's and a 28" tire and weigh 3700 lb at the line. It is pretty light for an all steel 1/2 ton truck. Lol. What is your combo and what does it run? If you don’t mind me asking.
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Just a little tidbit...... and you may already be aware of this.......
But the fuel level setting on those demons isn’t like the old holleys(bottom of the hole). I usually run those with the fuel sitting about 2/3 up the sight glass, set with the engine running.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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