Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
[Re: 1980volare]
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07/12/18 01:09 PM
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Asking "what's your goal" or "what are you trying to do" is an attempt on the part of the person asking, and trying to give advice, to sound intelligent?
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 01:13 PM
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Asking "what's your goal" or "what are you trying to do" is an attempt on the part of the person asking, and trying to give advice, to sound intelligent? Some guys don’t understand this and then it usually ends up being a DOG. It all starts with a target in mind.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
[Re: 1980volare]
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07/12/18 01:25 PM
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Go boost or go home.... Can't wait to get my T.T. Hemi done someday but big $$$$.
Last edited by 6PKRTSE; 07/12/18 01:26 PM.
1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 03:38 PM
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Guitar Jones
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Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
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WTH, my link works.
"Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind"
'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost conversion. 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
[Re: bigdad]
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07/12/18 03:59 PM
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1980volare
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I No, just no. Go buy some ram 1500 manifolds, install them on opposite sides and get a mug welder and make your own. You can do it yourself way easier then you think. You gmcould do it for under 750 and have something nice.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 04:01 PM
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WTH, my link works. sorry, did see that one .. just the other one
The lips of fools bring them strife, and their mouths invite a beating.Proverbs 18:6
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 04:16 PM
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I would love to put a big single on my current R1 block W2 combo. It would be nice to put a taller gear in it, tame the cam down a little, but still make way more power. I am already fuel injected........but I really need to leave it alone for awhile lol.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 05:21 PM
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CMcAllister
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I think I'm the only guy on the planet who's not a hairdryer fan. Not on a race car where consistency matters anyhow.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
[Re: 1980volare]
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07/12/18 06:25 PM
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where consistency matters anyhow. Unfortunately true. In addition to all the other annoying variables (air density, ATF temperature, octane) you have to add intercooler efficiency (what's the actual output temperature?), time to spool, does spark retard kill more power than too rich (for the same degree of anti-knock defense). When you read that "on a turbo car the tune is worth 500 hp", that's what they're talking about.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 10:53 PM
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Yeah me too. The boost controller is your friend... it's not that hard to successfully bracket race one of these and have it repeat. But I do LOVE to hear the theory's from the keyboard jockeys about why it can't work.
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/12/18 10:56 PM
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Yeah me too. The boost controller is your friend... it's not that hard to successfully bracket race one of these and have it repeat. But I do LOVE to hear the theory's from the keyboard jockeys about why it can't work. Trust me this guy can bracket race a turbo car. I not only have seen him do it but he did it in two classes being ran back to back. The only thing that failed him was the transmission over-heated and I'm sure he addressed that issue.
1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27
Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/13/18 12:36 AM
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After reading QuickD100s posts on a boneyard 318 with turbo making 500 hp, i'm sold. Turbos and alky, and cubes. A family match made in heaven. I wonder what a stroked 318 (390?) with mildly worked large port heads and a cheap turbo would do before the stock block complained? 700 hp?
8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/13/18 01:05 AM
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Goals, most of you have addressed the question in an around about way. Their are hundreds of variables on each different car or engine so no amount of "goals" will get you into the ballpark. Nobody will hit it on the money the first time out unless you're extremely lucky or done it a lot. What I want to hear is, average turbo for a 340, 383, 440 and Hemi and work from there. Is that so hard. Now if someone has a program where you put in all the variables, and out pops the results, then that would be helpful. I doubt that's out there. Now The green 4 door 62 Plymouth, I've been watching you for years and amazed at what you've done. But, how many changes, learning curves, have you went through in all that time? I imagine your "goal" was to show everyone how fast that thing could go. No numbers, no ET, just fast, the wow factor and let the numbers come as they may!
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/13/18 01:34 AM
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I spent years reading and talking to people who had done it before I built mine. Math. Compressor maps. Being realistic about a big heavy street car, my fabrication abilities, and what I wanted to spend. Originally used ford 2.3 manual units on my 383. Similar to a 2.5 with the Mitsubishi turbo on it. Now some stage 5 PTE's that feel more like the Garrett on 2.2, for those that played with those cars. Totally different animal than the volare and ugly car tho
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Re: Why everyone needs a turbo
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07/13/18 11:03 AM
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theory's from the keyboard jockeys
LOL!
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