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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2515553
06/30/18 08:50 PM
06/30/18 08:50 PM
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Fulton County, PA
CMcAllister
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Mr. Helpful
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Fulton County, PA
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Take the power steering belt off, drive it around the block and let us know how it works. Do some parallel parking while your out there.
Or you can get one of the reproduction replacement manual boxes.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2515615
06/30/18 10:36 PM
06/30/18 10:36 PM
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Park Forest, IL
slantzilla
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Too Many Posts
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Park Forest, IL
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I did it on a '69 R/T. It wandered around a lot. I ended up putting the pump back on.
"Everybody funny, now you funny too."
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2515973
07/01/18 06:10 PM
07/01/18 06:10 PM
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Massillon, Ohio
cudatom
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super stock
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Massillon, Ohio
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Ran my cuda that way from 84-88. This was on the street and track. Personally I didn't have any problems with it.
As far as parallel parking wasnt a big deal. The car was moving so it wasn't hard to turn.
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2516093
07/01/18 10:28 PM
07/01/18 10:28 PM
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Massillon, Ohio
cudatom
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Massillon, Ohio
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It was a 73 cuda. I switched from a small block to a 440. Back then there weren't any good headers that would fit w/the pouwer steering pump. Well at least on my min wage budget. Think eagle headers $49.95 that and findinga pully set led to this decision.
Now don't get me wrong if you tried to turn the wheel while stationary it wash hard but nothing like the one ton at work with a straight axel and king pins. Lol
Oh yeah that was the factory gear box. Almost forgot to answer that part.
Last edited by cudatom; 07/01/18 10:29 PM.
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2516237
07/02/18 03:23 AM
07/02/18 03:23 AM
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Puyallup, WA
StealthWedge67
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Puyallup, WA
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I pulled the belt on my Satellite at the track once a few years ago. Saw no performance gain, car steered like a bag of potatos. Never again.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: gofish]
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07/02/18 04:03 PM
07/02/18 04:03 PM
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Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda
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I was told by a couple of different mechanics to not run a power steering box without the power assist, it wore the recirculating ball and worm gear very rapidly, some about softer parts. I tried the removing the belt trick a couple of different times and could not see any change in performance at the track. Switching to a manual box is simple and gets rid of the power steering pump but saves very little weight. It seems like my power steering box was an aluminum housing and the manual one was cast iron, so the little I saved by losing the pump was offset by the weight of the manual box.
Danny
That's the opposite of what I've seen on these cars. The PS boxes are cast iron and the manual boxes are aluminum. Quite a bit of weight reduction by going to manual steering. Not to mention more room around the engine since the manual box is a lot smaller. A power steering box w/ no help from the pump is a lot harder to steer than a manual box. All 4 of our cars have manual steering b/c the factory Mopar power steering is too easy and sensitive IMO.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: hemienvy]
#2516469
07/02/18 04:38 PM
07/02/18 04:38 PM
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Milwaukee WI
TRENDZ
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Milwaukee WI
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A power steering box input shaft is not connected directly to the pinion gear(not really a pinion gear, but for ease of explanation)
Between the two, is a spring loaded directional control valve. The more torque that is applied to the input, the more oil flows to the assist. This valve needs to be able to have “slop” in order to direct fluid properly. Take the pump/ fluid out of the equation, and all you have is a spring loaded slop inputshaft.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: Power steering box without the p/s pump ?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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07/02/18 11:56 PM
07/02/18 11:56 PM
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Camp Point, IL
gofish
mopar
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mopar
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Camp Point, IL
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I was told by a couple of different mechanics to not run a power steering box without the power assist, it wore the recirculating ball and worm gear very rapidly, some about softer parts. I tried the removing the belt trick a couple of different times and could not see any change in performance at the track. Switching to a manual box is simple and gets rid of the power steering pump but saves very little weight. It seems like my power steering box was an aluminum housing and the manual one was cast iron, so the little I saved by losing the pump was offset by the weight of the manual box.
Danny
That's the opposite of what I've seen on these cars. The PS boxes are cast iron and the manual boxes are aluminum. Quite a bit of weight reduction by going to manual steering. Not to mention more room around the engine since the manual box is a lot smaller. A power steering box w/ no help from the pump is a lot harder to steer than a manual box. All 4 of our cars have manual steering b/c the factory Mopar power steering is too easy and sensitive IMO. I have a manual box in my garage right now from an 1964 B body, it is cast iron. The power steering box I took off my 72 Cuda was aluminum and it was wore out. My 1970 Road Runner had manual steering and it was cast iron. If they used aluminum boxes on manual steering, I suspect it was in the late 70's and early 80's. Danny
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