Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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I talked to Mopar marketing rep at the Dallas race last year. He said they had 150 hemi castings of.... Oh boy, not again. I've heard about empty promises for a long time now. SMH. If this is who I'm guessing it is...he retired...so I don't think we'll be hearing anything from him again..... And from what I understand, over time this became a normal method of handling inquiries. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully somebody takes over this business, makes a great product with amazing margins driving them to constantly push improvements, and they make it basically forever. I'll also hope that they really enjoy managing it, because that alone will become a full time job. Can anyone guess the volume vs. tooling/ development cost? How many do you have to sell before you make money? This guys name was Dale. One of the board members here knew him and his shop in Detroit had machined some blocks for Mopar so he contacted him. He was told “ they are at the machining facility “. Yup, sure they are. Right over in the corner and they will never get done. I’ve got one world block and I’m not selling it anytime soon. Lol. Unfortunately that's the feedback I've been hearing since '13. He retired and it should be interesting to see who they replace him with, if anyone. I have nothing against the guy, he is a nice person, I like him and would shake his hand if he walked up to me right now, but I 100% disagree with those methods of communicating with folks.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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It's been reported here that the owner of Dart, Dick Maskin, was asked directly by a board member if he had plans for a Chrysler block and he replied that the volume just wasn't there.
R. Marketing figured there would be a demand for About 700-800 G2 hemi blocks the 1st 2 years and drop off to 120-200 after that. There was work on a tall deck G3 hemi block but it was decided that the engine would be too wide for any practical retrofit application, not to mention the Intake manifold issues I dont think a 1/4 deck height would make much difference externaly (except the intake witch I think a simple spacer could deal with) but internally it would, you could add 1/4 stroke and 1/8 rod length. At the very least they could give us an iron siamese bore block so we could get more like 4.25 bores, the BGE/hellcat block is almost siamese (the bores are together 1/2 way up). Even with the current limit on displacement they are pretty awesome, they can be built to rev really high and make up for the lack of CID.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Intake spacer works well with traditional intake angles, remember the G3 intake is horizontal, the 1/4 in in increase results in an engine that is almost 2 inches wider, ask anyone who's tried to stuff a G3 in to an A-body what an extra 2 inches of width would do. 1/4 increase in DH was also the limit before lifter issues were found, it's been over 2 years since this was dropped, I'll have to check some notes as to the actual width and lifter issue. there is a company looking to do iron block but it's on the back burner, BGE type core with 5.7/6.1 timing gear, angled oil filter mount and would use an LS filter. 4.5 bore center was considered(stock is 4.46), but dropped.
(I removed "Siamese" from the above statement, I had Siamese on the mind when I wrote it)
Bear blocks are casted in South Korea,not that there is anything wrong with where they are casted. they were working on a 392 hemi block ,..I think that project is over(I'm Not 100% on that)
Like the new casted 409 blocks, the FE's are moving better than you would think.....FE lovers are coming out of the SBF closet , iron block Alum heads ,it's lighter than a 385 series engine by a lot. the FE intake adaptor has opened up a whole new world for those fud heads.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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There are a two or three vendors casting Ford FE blocks and I can't imagine that the FE market is larger than the Mopar market. I know there are a lot of Ford cars out there but there are not a lot of guys running FE engines. The FE block is pretty close to a Mopar block in a lot of ways so if someone like Bear Blocks can produce a FE block then I don't see any reason a vendor couldn't make Mopar blocks.
I think some of it is just bad luck. For whatever reason the people who so far have chosen to cast Mopar blocks haven't had the talent or the money or the time to make it happen correctly. Cast iron engine blocks are a very well known commodity by now. Millions of them have been cast over the years. The machining process is also well understood. People know what feeds and speeds and tools need to be used to hit the tolerances. It really just boils down to hiring the correct people and throwing enough money at it until the issues are solved. I agree with the Ford FE comments. But not about the 'bad luck'. There's surely some well calculated conspiracies involved with the mopar big block I think. Lots of people still want and would buy a cheap sportsman Mopar (big) block if it was offered! I think Maskin and Chrysler don't get along very well, have a feeling he will make a Mopar block only over his dead body. Indy should try lower their price on their aluminum block and they will sell a lot more of them, plus will kill off all of their competition altogether that are supposedly "making a BLOCK". Do us all a favor!!!!!!
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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There are a two or three vendors casting Ford FE blocks and I can't imagine that the FE market is larger than the Mopar market. I know there are a lot of Ford cars out there but there are not a lot of guys running FE engines. The FE block is pretty close to a Mopar block in a lot of ways so if someone like Bear Blocks can produce a FE block then I don't see any reason a vendor couldn't make Mopar blocks.
I think some of it is just bad luck. For whatever reason the people who so far have chosen to cast Mopar blocks haven't had the talent or the money or the time to make it happen correctly. Cast iron engine blocks are a very well known commodity by now. Millions of them have been cast over the years. The machining process is also well understood. People know what feeds and speeds and tools need to be used to hit the tolerances. It really just boils down to hiring the correct people and throwing enough money at it until the issues are solved. I agree with the Ford FE comments. But not about the 'bad luck'. There's surely some well calculated conspiracies involved with the mopar big block I think. Lots of people still want and would buy a cheap sportsman Mopar (big) block if it was offered! I think Maskin and Chrysler don't get along very well, have a feeling he will make a Mopar block only over his dead body. Indy should try lower their price on their aluminum block and they will sell a lot more of them, plus will kill off all of their competition altogether that are supposedly "making a BLOCK". Do us all a favor!!!!!! The biggest problem I see is everybody but a few want all these add ons. Make a copy of the original block and live with it! That's the reason the FE blocks are being made, it's just like the original. Quit trying to make a Mopar 440-426 into BB Chevy.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Just my opinion, but you will see Satan himself dress up and walk into church before Indy will ever lower their prices a nickel. They've watched how many others flail around and swirl down the toilet, yet they are still going despite treating customers like dog crap.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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I think Maskin and Chrysler don't get along very well, have a feeling he will make a Mopar block only over his dead body.
There's no thinking about it.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Okay, I am confused. Do the Cast Iron Bocks exist or not? Or is it a case of they exist but setting at a machine shop? I'm with AndyF... this can't be that difficult. There has been what... 3 different companies now who have designed cast iron Chrysler big blocks since 2008 - Keleno, HP, and MM off the top of my head, and yet we have NOTHING... Maybe I'm wrong
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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I think Maskin and Chrysler don't get along very well, have a feeling he will make a Mopar block only over his dead body.
There's no thinking about it. Tony does not play well with anyone. And don't give a crap about doing anything themselves.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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I think Maskin and Chrysler don't get along very well, have a feeling he will make a Mopar block only over his dead body.
There's no thinking about it. Mopar burned him when he helped do initial development of the Pro Stock Truck program. Some early W8 castings were done by Dart.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Everyone would be just better off financially and mentally if they just put chevy engines in their mopars. So those after market blocks were too expensive to buy one.....Now nobody makes one.... What are the SS guys doing for Hemi's? Sounds like our options are getting fewer by the minute.... Heck the newer 6.1 blocks are tough to find.... Can't race without blocks....When I was looking for blocks, mire than one manufacturer said to put a shevy in it. I know guys that have, never thought I would have to consider it.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Everyone would be just better off financially and mentally if they just put chevy engines in their mopars. So those after market blocks were too expensive to buy one.....Now nobody makes one.... What are the SS guys doing for Hemi's? Sounds like our options are getting fewer by the minute.... Heck the newer 6.1 blocks are tough to find.... Can't race without blocks....When I was looking for blocks, mire than one manufacturer said to put a shevy in it. I know guys that have, never thought I would have to consider it. how fast do you want to go???? We have local area shops punching out low 9 second and 8 second Mopar wedges and Hemis every week in the Pittsburgh area that race every week at Keystone. Tom Hemphill, Tim Bowman, and Bob George Racing build these engines in their sleep. Tim is a one man show and he had 5-6 Indy blocks over the winter. Not bad for an old retired guy. He retired from a local tech school late last year and can now live in his shop full time. Each one of the shops listed above can build anything from street beasts to track monsters. Gene Nagie’s Dart pounds out 4.60’s and is at Keystone every week bracket racing. Quit being a “negative Nancy” and join the fun.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Gene Nagie’s Dart pounds out 4.60’s and is at Keystone every week bracket racing. Quit being a “negative Nancy” and join the fun.
what's he running for a drivetrain gen-hemi or ?. Indy headed wedge engine.
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Re: Who has used the new MM block?
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Gene Nagie’s Dart pounds out 4.60’s and is at Keystone every week bracket racing. Quit being a “negative Nancy” and join the fun.
what's he running for a drivetrain gen-hemi or ?. Indy headed wedge engine. Here he is racing my Son Yesterday 5-5-18. https://www.facebook.com/michael.r.bright.9/posts/1923563737656489
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