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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2488837
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Mallory unilite is a distributor. So you have no box? Just a distributor and a coil?


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2488840
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Yes. Distributor is self contained with internal module. Was all the rage back in the 70's.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2488841
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Originally Posted By sgcuda
Originally Posted By BaldwinCarbs
A 15 degree Brodix head wants like 22 degrees at 4,000 rpm and 28 degrees at 7,000 if that tells you anything

With a locked out distributor you have a backwards curve when you add in the slew rate, so the motor is off at all rpms


Interesting you mentioned Brodix 15 degree heads. I am building a 605 with B1 originals. High compression, drag race only. This will be in a lightweight stick shift car. RPM range will be 4,500 to 7,500. Maybe a little higher. How would you go about setting up a curve for higher rpm, or is it needed at these speeds.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2488843
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Yes, i had one. But they can be used with a box. My point is if the timing is indicating differently with different timing lights, believe the non dial back one.
The problem you describe is exactly what happens when you use a dial back light on a wastespark or multiple spark ignition.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: TRENDZ] #2488846
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Yeah. Problems cleared up when I blew the dust off of an old timing light I had sitting around. I never noticed it on my Cuda, but I never checked advance rate since it had a locked out distributor. Testing a MSD system with a dial back light isn't too hard to do. Just make sure you have the right wires on it and I always check above 3,000 rpm.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: BaldwinCarbs] #2488854
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Ice Ignition boxes have an adjustable timing curves. Not sure if there mapped every 1000rpm, but if they are i will follow what you gave me. Thanks and its just what i was looking for a few posts back.
I curently use an MSD dist with a Ice magnetic box and the only fix i have found with the 3-4* lose at rpm is a crank trigger with locked out timing.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: mopar dave] #2488877
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
Ice Ignition boxes have an adjustable timing curves. Not sure if there mapped every 1000rpm, but if they are i will follow what you gave me. Thanks and its just what i was looking for a few posts back.
I curently use an MSD dist with a Ice magnetic box and the only fix i have found with the 3-4* lose at rpm is a crank trigger with locked out timing.


See if you can make it work. If not, just have your distributor curved
Its probably cheaper anyways 😉

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: mopar dave] #2488880
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You need to talk to Baldwin Carbs. Bill knows a thing or two about MSD distributors (Actually, he says he'd rather recurve a stock Mopar distributor than a MSD unit. LOL!). Before you go making major changes, he may be able to recurve your distributor to work properly.

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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2488883
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I tried a curve in it last year, but the engine had a way happier idle in gear with 30* initial, anything less and it just was not happy so i just locked it out. That could be the Dominator causing that. I'm starting over with that tune with some BLP blocks. Once i get that figured i will try another curve with mid 20* initial. A distributor machine would be a nice tool to have. Thanks

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: mopar dave] #2488888
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Originally Posted By mopar dave
I tried a curve in it last year, but the engine had a way happier idle in gear with 30* initial, anything less and it just was not happy so i just locked it out. That could be the Dominator causing that. I'm starting over with that tune with some BLP blocks. Once i get that figured i will try another curve with mid 20* initial. A distributor machine would be a nice tool to have. Thanks


When I first started reading your post and you said idle quality under 30 was bad I told myself bad carburetor
Then I seen the rest with you talking about bad Dominator lol.
I believe I can help you on both ends

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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: BaldwinCarbs] #2489004
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Thanks for the offer. I think the problem with the Dominator is the metering blocks i modified from a 750 Barry Grant for 2 circuit Dominator may be leaking fuel around the threads in the jets making it extremely hard to tune. I have it very close, but not where i want it yet. When i tapped all the jets in the blocks i made the mistake of tapping all the way thru making it hard to tighten them up. Also the jets dont fit tight in the thread, so i decided to start over with new BLP blocks and a little different tune as well from some research i have been doing.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489261
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I'm thinking you are talking about the e bleeds? I made a bunch of bleeds with brass screws from Lowes. Left a step on them to stop and tighten securely.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489266
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Yep. E bleeds and ifr and the pvcr. Threads seem different than the set screws i used. Gonna start over with blp blocks.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489268
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It was some work, but I hand filed the heads down to just slightly larger than thread diameter. Those little screws are killer on the finger tips. I took a large 1x1x6 block of aluminum, drilled and tapped for 6-32 and 8-32 threads. used it as a holding fixture while shaping the bleeds. Also held them nice and tight for drilling the right holes down the center.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489300
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I had to score the threads on the screws to get them to tighten up. Im sure fuel was leaking by the threads making it hard to tune.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489443
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I didn't use a universal tap and die set. I bought specific bottoming taps from tool & die companies. They were a very good fit. Maybe you could tap your blocks to the next size up?


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2489451
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I decided i'm buying new blocks. I think the tune is real close. Stopping the leaks should make it easier.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2490162
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Originally Posted By sgcuda
I didn't use a universal tap and die set. I bought specific bottoming taps from tool & die companies. They were a very good fit. Maybe you could tap your blocks to the next size up?
try using form taps they work much better than a standard tap and a lot more accurate sizing.


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Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: dartman366] #2490187
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Thanks and i will if i ever attempt that again. I have some metering blocks from BLP on the way.

Re: Mallory Unilite timing issue [Re: sgcuda] #2490208
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Did you buy blocks already with lowered ifr's? If not, you will need to drill and tap for that.


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