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Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: CMcAllister] #2487326
04/24/18 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
Originally Posted By qwkmopardan
If the balancer isn't messed up now it probably will be after a few outings. I put one of those on a s.b. mopar, and in a month the mark was about 90* off. I put an ATI balancer and no more problem.


I would only use an ATI, but for reference in case someone drags one in here, who's grenade of a damper does that?

I had a BHJ damper on a 440 years ago that slipped the outer ring about an inch. Took it off and sent it back to BHJ...they fixed/replaced it but no one there would talk to me afterwards about an explanation. Been using ATI dampers since, w/ the exception of one Fluidamper that has also been a good piece.


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Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: dogdays] #2487392
04/24/18 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted By dogdays
Back to basics, dudes!

All you really need is a piston stop, a pencil and a tape measure. You do not need to have degreed in the cam. That's a topic for another instruction.

Install the piston stop Turn the crank until piston runs into stop. With the pencil mark where the pointer is pointing. Now turn the engine around the other way until you run into the piston stop. Mark where the pointer is pointing. Now use the tape measure to measure between the two marks.
Calculate exactly half the distance. The halfway point between your two marks is TDC. I'm hoping your Zero mark is halfway between those two marks.

Piston stop? Strap metal, three holes, three bolts and two nuts. You can make it for very little $. No need for anything fancier than this.

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This^^^^^can't degree the cam without first know this...

Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2487414
04/24/18 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By an8sec70cuda

There are a few ways to do this, all work equally well, but saying one isn't right is foolish.


Perhaps, but the positive stop eliminates the possibility of inaccurate readings due to piston rock.


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Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: John_Kunkel] #2487459
04/24/18 08:25 PM
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This is sort of a separate question, but still related.....

Is the crank keyway slot always machined in the identical
indexed position on all cranks ? Meaning that, can you not tell
if the dampener ring has slipped just by looking at where
the "0" mark is on the dampener in relation to the keyway
slot ?

Also, if the front cover and timing pointer are all assembled,
so you can't see the crank keyway slot,
then with the piston at TDC exactly, should not the timing mark
on the dampener also be right on the "0" timing pointer ?
On a fresh factory motor that is.

What I'm getting at is visual tools to see if the dampener
has spun, without measuring.

Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: hemienvy] #2487464
04/24/18 08:35 PM
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The keyway is many times, in line with forwardmost cylinder centerline. That is like at 1;30 clock on our v-8's when at tdc cyl # 1 and 6..

Re: Timing marks not lining up [Re: buildanother] #2487565
04/24/18 11:15 PM
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if a head or heads are already on, set the dampener slit at 15BTDC & screw the TDC tool into the #1 or #6 plug hole till it contacts the piston snug, then turn the crank CCW till it contacts the stop again & if no slip/bad machining of dampener (somewhat rare) or even crank keyway machined off (rare tho) & yes it is at 1:30, you want the slit to be at 15 ATDC. repeat one time to confirm it is equidistant, same # of degrees on either side of "zero" on the tab . A degree or less off is acceptable. this will confirm zero on the dampener/timing tab matches the actual TDC position of the piston.


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